Wiring?

[DarkKnight]

After just reading a post, i know i need to replace my ALT along with it's wiring:bawling: But are there any other issues with the 85 crown vic that i should know? I hate wiring.... Any how, thanks in Advanced,



Dark

[85crownHPP]

like any old car, the connectors tend to get corroded and cuase problems.
you could go through the engine bay and disconnect all of them, clean and inspect.
If they are real bad, they will fall apart :crazy: and will have all kinds of battery-terminal-corrosion-looking corrosion in them.

I replaced a lot of my harnesses with good shape virgin ones from the junkyard

[DarkKnight]

Cool, Well for the past few hours ive been running a little test on my batt, And im not sure im doing this right. at 7:24 my batt had a charge of 13.10

At 8:14 it had a charge of 12.98
8:54 11.26

And just a min ago at 9:24 i did the reading agine and it was @ 13.06 EH?

Am i doing something wrong here? in the am im going to try and find some numbers onmy alt. i know they said they had a new one put on and, i see some wires with "Fuses" on them on my selonode switch. So i dunno.

Can any one make anything out of this?

Thanks
Dark/

[gadget73]

You really can't determine much with the battery condition by checking the charge with a voltmeter and the engine not running. Batteries need to be load tested to see if they are good, and the voltage readings have to be taken with the engine running to see if the alternator has any output.

[DarkKnight]

Cool, well i tested it agine. and it didnt have a big load on it or anything but it was staying around 14.26 - 14.34 it took me a whille though before i could get a good reading.


But im still on the lookout for a new Alt.


And staying on subject can any one tell me how my windows are supposed to be wired? the only one that works is the drivers. :-/ eh.. Woldent bother me as bad but my Lady Friend wont drive with me due to this....

Any how Thanks guys
Dark :-)

[Archangel]

And staying on subject can any one tell me how my windows are supposed to be wired? the only one that works is the drivers. :-/ eh.. Woldent bother me as bad but my Lady Friend wont drive with me due to this....
At least she has a legit excuse, my ex wouldn't get near the Townie just cause it's a "Ford POS" :screwy: Stupid bitch... What's up with your windows though, they don't wanna move at all or what? You may wanna start by pulling the switches from the doors and cleaning the contacts nicely, it may actually be as simple as that.

[DarkKnight]

Will umm a can of electrical cleaner do the trick or is that just for starters? the passengers will not roll up or down even with me trying to do it with my hand's, the two in the back will slide up with my hands but thats it. o and they make a sound when i turn the switch., Any help ill love,

Nah my woman likes ford's She like's old chevy's for umm Humm Suped up Muscule car's due to a part off of a 60's will go onto a 70's :-> but any how. Yea she just dosent like the fact that i dont have a muffler and she cant let her window down :))

[DarkKnight]

Well i dont belive it's my switch, i cleaned it good. but i put the volt meeter to it and it didnt do anything. From what i was told it was wired to a battery at one time. But i dont see a Batt. and i dont see any wires for it. Guess thats what happens when you afro enginer evreything.


Also Staying on subject about wires. any one know how i can fix my lighter. i need it to have fire due to my cell phone :-/

Thanks agine
Dark.

[Archangel]

Hold the horses there boy, are you telling us the car didn't initially come with power windows? At that point it would be pretty hard for any of us to tell how your wiring goes, as it could have been done in 1500 different ways. The rear motors spinning probably means the bushings in their gearboxes are shot, replacements can be found for about $5 per set in the "Help" section of your local AutoZone or Advance Auto Parts.

[DarkKnight]

No the car came with power windows what im saying is. the young dummy that owned it before me cliped wires in order to hook up his crappy sound system :)) And some of thoose wires where as i see. the passenger window. The little key thing that makes the ding sound. the umm/ clock. actualy one must have been a wire to all of the windows due to drivers use to roll down with the key off. And humm I think something to the carb. due to it shooting some gas out now when u turn the key on but not the engine...? Eh? So what i was saying is that the passenger window dosent have any fire going to it. and im not sure i know how to make it hot... :-(

Thanks agine. :-)

O yea that means im not gonna be able to have tunes untill i can get to a ellectrical shop. But this window thing surley dosent need to go there..?

Thanks,
Dark.

[gadget73]

Start looking for cut wires, and splice them back together if you can determine where it was cut. If you have no voltage at the motor on the passenger side, and have tested it when moving both the switch on the driver's and passenger side, I would inspect the wiring bundle coming into the door for cut wires, and right in the kick panel to make sure stuff wasn't cut and spliced. You'd Also want to check the wiring on the driver's door since all the windows run through that control panel.

[DarkKnight]

Humm, allrighty Gadget ill do that first thing... when i get off work :-> dern rat's nest in there though :))

[85crownHPP]

could your friend have install (or tried to install) a keyless entry/alarm system????

some controll the windows too... dang you've got a mess on your hands if thats the case!

[DarkKnight]

Umm, i dont know, i dont really know the guy... But i guess it could be a possibility. Would pic's help?And if so where of?

[DarkKnight]

Where the radio was. maybey some one might see a wire there familure with? Eh worth a shot at least.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0007.jpg


In the pass. door heres somthing i didnt know what was a plug of some sort.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0008.jpg


More wires? in the door

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0009.jpg


And another Plug?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0010.jpg

Under the switch Prob a bad shot though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0011.jpg

This thing has a drill like thing comeing out of it......? wth is it anyways?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0012.jpg


More wires i didnt see out of the ordanery.. but some one else might see something i hope.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0013.jpg


Heres all the wires i pulled. all off the stero. all of which wernt hooked up besides one blue wire which was hot.... Erga... Well maybey i can use them to splice into something at least. :->
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0015.jpg

And i dont know what it's called but that plug thing is there 2! :))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0018.jpg

Well maybey someone can make something out of this, ( Im hoping you guys can ) I know i didnt see any more striped wires. but they got to be there some where right?I hope. Any how. Thanks agine And hope the pics help. Soo sory guys on 56k

Thanks.
Dark

[gadget73]

More wires? in the door

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0009.jpg

The power window motor and the wires feeding it.


And another Plug?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0010.jpg

Light in the door panel.



This thing has a drill like thing comeing out of it......? wth is it anyways?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0012.jpg

Power lock motor



And i dont know what it's called but that plug thing is there 2! :))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/darkknight676767/2006_0403wINdOw0018.jpg

The other doorpanel's light.

[FatNasty]

Wow the previous owner really screwed stuff up!

[DarkKnight]

Yea.... Big time....Bunch of Idiot's imo.. Any one that will slam another man into the hood over and over, for fun. is a complete retard imo :))

[DarkKnight]

Ok. I think i made a little Progress this afternoon. i took my test light And Took apart my drivers door panel. and tested the switches ( The wires gong into the switches actualy. all of them where getting fire . exsept for the passenger's up front. and it's a red and black line wire and a yellow and black liner wire. Any one have any clue of the route of theese wires? That way ill find where it might be striped and prob solved :-> I hope .... :))


Hopefully this is good for a novice. Any\ how thanks guys/gals

Dark :->

[gadget73]

Hey Petemang, you have your EVTM handy to scan pics from? That might be helpful.

[DarkKnight]

I got an Idea Feller's ( I know thats scary ) Umm, Is it possibe to " Tap " into another wire that is hot during key on, and run it to the switch? i know the driver woldent be able to umm rollit down but at least my LF could :-)

And if there is a way, May i ask how i might do this

Thanks Guys

Dark

[85crownHPP]

i dont have a scanner, I just keep trying to take pics of them untill I get a good shot, lol.

The EVTM doesnt show you were wires are routed in the car so much as just a diagram of the circuit.

Ill take a gander and see if I see anything that may help. If you know of a diagram in particular you need Ill try to get a clear shot. Just dont say 'all of them' lol.

Hell, I guess I could xerox the whole thing and mail it to ya, lol

[DarkKnight]

Just knowing where the wire's from the drivers door to the passenger door goes would be cool. :-> I can take my stuff all off and put it back together. but... I still might not hit it on the money :-/ eh. Thanks guys

Dark :->

::: Edit ::: Ok got a little bit of new info as well. Yesterday after i got my new plugs and plug wires i was gonna turn her over and i had to do my +Battery wire thing where i take it off scarpe the inside put her back on and when i ge it in just the right spot she will turn over. Well any how on one of my trys of turning her over i saw that the. Negative battery termanel had a poof of smoke come out of it for a second. What could Case this? or is this even any helpfull info? any how thought id just post it :-) :::: End Edit ::::

[85crownHPP]

negative battery terminal is prolly dirty/ bad connection - have you taken the cables off and cleaned them?

[85crownHPP]

oh, and i read my EVTM section on power windows (no wire routing) but it does say this:

"the power window switch sends current through the window motor in one direction for up and the opposite direction for down. If the off position, both motor wires are grounded through spereate switches"

so if you were testing with a ground, none of them should have lit up...
it looks like all the switches in the master switch share one power source and deliver it to either wire coming off the switch.

[DarkKnight]

negative battery terminal is prolly dirty/ bad connection - have you taken the cables off and cleaned them?


10-4 on that, I bought a new Postive battery cable for it two weaks ago i belive and it got fried the weak after, thats when i decided it was time to look for the short. But i clean them on a Semi reg. basis :D


O and i havent cranked my car now in about mmm, 4 days now and i still have a charge :-)

[DarkKnight]

Ok, im at a stand still now. I cant fig out where my wires go that where cut and used for the sterio. Or even see where the reg wires would be,( For the sterio that is. ) Dont get me wrong i dont mind not haveing a sterio at the moment. As long as i dont have a short. but im really at a stand still... Any advise at all guys?


Thanks in advance,
Dark :->

[85crownHPP]

theyer back there somewhere - all you need to find is the constant power and the switched power - you can make the rest happen.

[interceptor1985]

I think what you need is a good cool dry day and a couple of good buddys and a nice wiring diagram. what I did for my old jeep is read the wiring diagram and colored in the diagram in to match the color of the wires so it is easy to read and find what you have or what you are missing. hope that this helps!

[DarkKnight]

I got a question, sort of an idea. The wires that where cut. Are comeing out of the noodel. Could it be the other end is wraped n there in the noodel? it's got tape or something wraped around it. So im scared to cut it.. Any how thanks guys :->
Dark

[DarkKnight]

k, i got an update. Allrighty, today i went and looked at my wires, and saw that there was a set of three on one side and five on another. Allrighty all of them macthed up except one which was dern close.

Ok now before, use to be the clock radio window fuel gauge would all stay hot no matter what. Allrighty, when i got tru today nothing was hot, but if i turned the radio on. evreything else would come on to.?.? What does this mean? Ima pull it back out if i cant fig it out. ;-/ Rather have no radio then a drained bat.

[DarkKnight]

Ok, another update. not sure what it mean's though but i need to post it before i forget it. Allrighty i got mytestlight out. And this is what i found.


Ive got one wire that stay's hot all the time, My black wire that i thought was my ground has a litttle juice as well. Now when the one wire is hooked up, two other wires right next to it get hot. just as brght actuly And i tested to see what the wires are doing and took my hot wire and touched other wires one of them sounded like something i cant fig out what came on. Locks or something along with the clock and windows, and when i touched the other wire with it. My Climate controle stuff lit up? Any how this was allon the three wire side. the black wire which i thought was the ground is on the 5 wire side. Any ideas with this feller's could my radio be messed up? Any how thanks feller's in advaNced

Dark

[DarkKnight]

:bump: :bump: :bump: Gotcha guys stumped?

[85crownHPP]

id like to help but Im having trouble following what the heck you are talking about :D

[DarkKnight]

Humm, :-? ill make some pics of what im talkin about when i get some more bat's :-> But basicly, my one hot lead makes two lines hot. and my black wire with the white stripe. ( Which i thought was the ground ) Lights up a little bit as well :-) And if i have the stero hooked up the only thing that is hot. is the little light on the radio. But if i turn the radio on, evreything else becomes hot :-D,

Any clue on what would case this? O, and if the wires are hooked up backwords ( Like they where before ) Evrething stays hot 24/7

And thank's mang :->

[DarkKnight]

Well, i got an update for here as well :->


I got back to my wireing for my stero only that is. And started thinking, you know why dont i go ahead and connect my hot lead up, and then go one by one and see which wire makes evreything hot.

So i did.... traced it down to one wire ;-), and said what the hell why dont i hook it all up except for that one wire?

And i did...;-> Well, turns out the radio works fine with that one wire not hooked up :))

Now Let me ask you guys this. With the key off, can any of you turn your radio on?
Thats the only weired thing, nothing else though comes on when the radio is on or off :))

Any how. thats my little update :-D Next Demn Window :))

Thanks,
Dark

[interceptor1985]

what color is the one wire that is left?

[DarkKnight]

I think it was yellow :)) or orange. i know i hooked up a green/blue one and i cant rember if the other one was the orange or the yellow :))

[DarkKnight]

Humm, :-? Question. On my right blinker. I noticed today that it just stay light, it did not blink :)) Could this be a crossed wire due to i put a new rear light assebley in it? Or should i look somewhere else?

[85crownHPP]

if it stays on but does not blink, usually its a bulb out (on the other end) or one not installed right.

[DarkKnight]

On the other end you mean the side that i didnt install a Tail light to? Or in the front?


I know, i know Ima newb :))

Thank's
Dark :->

[85crownHPP]

the other end from the bulb that is lit up and not blinking (or next to, if its in the back).
Any car that comes in at work with a blinker out, I always turn on the hazzards and find whats not blinkin

[DarkKnight]

I found one in the front that didnt light up :-), Ima go and fig out how to open that plastic crap :-)

Thanks mang,

Dark :-)

[DarkKnight]

Ok, forget that last post i think i fig out what you are talking about now, I went back and looked with the flasher's going, And i telly ou it's funny, with the flasher's going they all flash, but any how, then i turned the light's on and looked, And on the blinker that dosent work, which i also bought from ebay.
Well one of them bulbs is blownen i belive becase it dosent light up :-? Eh?

Any how, here comes yet two more newbie question's :=>

Allrighty, umm one how do you remove the tail light lence :)) i mean i can bust it out but that would be kinda dumb due to i just bought the tail light assembley becase the old one was busted.

And two, This is really gona sound dumb, but umm and im serious howdo you change the light bulb>?!@ i ask this case i was trying to replace another one, and i started turning it. and well.... The bulb came out but no screw thing. just the bulb.. do they suposed to just pop out? and pop a new one back in? or do you actualy suposed to unscrew something?

God, like i allways say, demn i fill like a dumm ass. But i never had a car that you didnt just unscrew the tail light assembley and walla ther's the lights,

O, 85crownHPP and you say you work in a shop? Umm what type of work does your shop offer? Im planing on ( When my car is running up to par that is. ) going around on a oad trip to guy's from here that i know do good work. Do some mod's to my car :)), I dont belive a Novice should even atempt that shit im dreaming of :)),


Any how thanks for all the info mang :-)

D.K.

[DarkKnight]

Ok, another bit of an update, I got my benker fixed! :-) I sat down and played with my old assebley, turn's out you dont unscrew anything just pull the light bulb out, and you can change the bulbs that are behind the red lence from behind the tail light assembley :-D


Up next Fixng my ash tra :-)

Thanks guys
Dark

[85crownHPP]

glad you got the bulbs figured out - older box ones do twist out but no more than a 30 degree turn.
Its not unusual for the bulb to pop out of its base... its happened to me many times. Then you have to dig the base out of the socket with some pliers or something, and make sure the lights are off so you dont short anything.
If you still want to remove the brake lamp housing, you have to remove the whole Q-panel extension from the backside (10mm nuts) then remove the lamp from the extention/housing once its out. I learned that swapping my LTD tails in :D
Dont forget there are 2 bulbs in each tail lamp, and if one is out, the other will usually still blink with the flasher, but not the turn signal. Sometimes that will throw you off.

[85crownHPP]

oh yeah we just do basic repairs and servicing, no heavy repair (pulling drivetrain items) and no modifications really.
If you are venturing this far, we'll try to organise some others and have a mini meet or something... I can take a day off and do what I can do during that time for sure :2up:

[DarkKnight]

Allrighty :->, i know it be a whille though, due to the Econmey, Saving up casg for mod's/gas Geting my car stable for a good long hard road trip all that good stuff . ;-)

Thanks for all the info mang. :->

Humm, Now i gotta choise between fixing the ash tray / or the Power window's :-?

Thanks agine :->
Dark