What next?

[ReverendRevival]

So I am deffinetly going to add the h-pipe. I was curious as to another decent mod to add a little omph. I don't want to go to crazy but a little more power wouldn't be horrible. Would beefing the intake up a little be a good route, or would I have to do some other mods to not cause any problems?

[1987cp]

Definitely consider adding some stock Mustang headers along with the dual exhaust. If you go with 2" exhaust you'll need adapters to bolt to the 2.25" ball-flange collectors.

Not sure what you can do with the intake on your CFI car while keeping it CFI, other than maybe see what happens if you bolt the throttle body to a performance 4V intake with an adapter........ don't imagine that'd do anything good for your fuel-delivery calibration, though.

[ReverendRevival]

Yeah I heard a rumor that a bone yard done the road has a few Foxes sitting around so I think I am going to tke a run done there today see if I cant find a decent set of headers.

[ReverendRevival]

Also is there a specific header I should be looking for or will any headers of a 5.0 fox work?

[1987cp]

Most of us are using the '86-'93 version with two-bolt collectors. I think the earlier version used in '83-'85 or whatever had three-bolt ball flange collectors, which would work too with the right flanges on the pipes .... the two-bolt ones are more usual, though, and it's easy to get female flanges to mate to them (or just use an aftermarket Mustang crossover pipe), and if you upgrade to aftermarket headers in the future you'll almost certainly get two-bolt flanges, so that's what I'd stick with. '94-'95 versions are slightly different. I got mine (from a '91, I think, not that it matters) on eBay for about $20 plus shipping.

[ReverendRevival]

So heres the question. I am bone stock right now.
What kind of gain can I expect from the Fox header swap and H-Pipe install?
Any Ideas?

[1987cp]

If you're currently single exhaust, probably in the neighborhood of 15 or 20hp (from ~130), judging from the fact that the SEFI motors were rated at 150 with stock single exhaust and 165 with duals. It really won't provide big gains up front, but it'll be way worth having when you get a four-barrel, and especially if you go ahead and swap in a different cam and heads. The small exhaust and corkola-style manifolds are a bit of a restriction now, but they'll be a much bigger one down the road.

[p71towny]

Dont forget the better MPG!

[1987cp]

I believe you mean gallons per mile ...........















:D

[ReverendRevival]

I believe you mean gallons per mile ...........
:D


Now thats funny. Well I hit the bone yard today. No heads or headers in site. :(

Still a few down the road though so we'll see.

[1987cp]

That stinks. Good luck finding headers elsewhere!

There is a set on eBay that you might be able to get for $40 shipped, if that price is competitive with your local yards: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/89-Mustang-5-0-L-Stock-Headers_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34203QQihZ011QQ itemZ320210900105QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


BTW, the E7TE cylinder heads (1987 and later Mustang and truck, etc.), if you can find a set for cheap (not much over $50/pair) will have a letter "T" on the top corner by the valve cover.

[Lincolnmania]

welcome to gmn!
gears and dual exhaust will give you your biggest bang for your buck
and please enter your location so we know where you are located

[ReverendRevival]

Yeah I'm not in to big of a hurry. I would rather it all be done right, not right now.
I will hopefully (fingers crossed) have te exhaust done by next month. I would like to have a little bit of work done before I attempt to go to PA in august(hmm wonder why).

[Lincolnmania]

believe me i'm way behind in the mods on my own cars, and that's my buisiness.....theres either no money, no time or no energy for my cars.......all the advances i've made with friends and customers boxes, and i still have boring rubber control arm bushings and a 200,000 mile aod and a 200,000 mile stock steering box, and tailpipes that i hand crafted in 1998.....lol

[1987cp]

Minnesota, eh? Looks like Nathan_in_MN is about 3 hours from you when he's home from school.

[ReverendRevival]

Yeah I saw. Might have to have an Arctic Circle meet.
Im like an hour from the border. Soo Sooo cold.

[1987cp]

My wife's mom's family spent a good deal of time in Minnesota way back when. They're like Svedish and stuff, yah.

[Lincolnmania]

i just wanna know why would want to live with those brutal winters? and then anthracite coal is hard to find out there to boot.....i dont want to see your oil or gas bills lol

[1987cp]

i just wanna know why would want to live with those brutal winters? and then anthracite coal is hard to find out there to boot.....i dont want to see your oil or gas bills lol

Our heating bills (natural gas) in Michigan hurt plenty. Near $300 two months in a row, and we're under 1500 square feet. Lucky the house has at least been retrofitted with thermopane windows and the attic is fully insulated!

[ReverendRevival]

i just wanna know why would want to live with those brutal winters? and then anthracite coal is hard to find out there to boot.....i dont want to see your oil or gas bills lol
The horrible part is we moved here from Florida like 2 years ago. As for household gas bill, it runs about 400 a month. Might just have to be cold so I can get some more stuff for the Mercules.....

[85crownHPP]

my gas bill was $300 here in VA... but this is a huge drafty house and my roomates have trouble closing doors...

[interceptor1985]

This lil two bedroom place here costs 50ish to 150+ in the winter and we only use electricity to power and heat this place.
Oh And :welcome: to GMN! And I just heard one of your mixes on myspace,I'm diggin it mang:)

And I'd try and find BBK headers and an H or X pipe used Or really cheap on sale new someplace:)

[Nathan in MI]

Yeah I saw. Might have to have an Arctic Circle meet.
Im like an hour from the border. Soo Sooo cold.

Yeah, I don't think I mentioned it before, but :welcome: to a fellow twineballer!

[ReverendRevival]

This lil two bedroom place here costs 50ish to 150+ in the winter and we only use electricity to power and heat this place.
Oh And :welcome: to GMN! And I just heard one of your mixes on myspace,I'm diggin it mang:)

And I'd try and find BBK headers and an H or X pipe used Or really cheap on sale new someplace:)

No mixes. Live performance mostly. No table sampling for me. lol

[1987cp]

No mixes. Live performance mostly. No table sampling for me. lol

So you're a synthesizer mang?

[ReverendRevival]

So you're a synthesizer mang?

Not a synth mang. A 13 synth and 4 rompler mang. lol

[1987cp]

Kewl! I don't know much about electronic music, but I've had oodles of fun browsing these pages: http://www.umop.com/gear.htm (and embarrassingly, I had to look up "rompler"!)

Our "synthesizer" is a Yamaha Portable Grand (it's lighter than my 6'3" Baldwin), which appears to be good for some of that sort of thing, but my keyboard training involved only classical piano, so doing basic synth work would take a TON of tinkering and figuring!

[RideIt]

hello...

[gadget73]

Speaking of stock 5.0 headers, theres a couple sets for sale on here in the classifieds section, check it out.

[ReverendRevival]

Yeah I noticed the ones for sale. Have to keep things in order though. No detour. lol
Gotta make it to the shop to have the codes run first. Then move from there.

[ReverendRevival]

Kewl! I don't know much about electronic music, but I've had oodles of fun browsing these pages: http://www.umop.com/gear.htm (and embarrassingly, I had to look up "rompler"!)

Our "synthesizer" is a Yamaha Portable Grand (it's lighter than my 6'3" Baldwin), which appears to be good for some of that sort of thing, but my keyboard training involved only classical piano, so doing basic synth work would take a TON of tinkering and figuring!

Depending on the synth your using it can be easy. It's when you start programing your own stuff it gets hard. Sequencers are the hardest.

[87_crown_vic]

go on ebay and get a code reader to pull the codes. it is cheaper than going to a shop and we can help with the problems that the codes give us. here is a code reader identical to what we have here...got it from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Equus-3145-Ford-Digital-Code-Reader_W0QQitemZ220176470932QQihZ012QQcategoryZ206 76QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247 QQcmdZViewItem

[ReverendRevival]

go on ebay and get a code reader to pull the codes. it is cheaper than going to a shop and we can help with the problems that the codes give us. here is a code reader identical to what we have here...got it from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Equus-3145-Ford-Digital-Code-Reader_W0QQitemZ220176470932QQihZ012QQcategoryZ206 76QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247 QQcmdZViewItem

Actually it's not going to caost me anyting to pull the codes. If it is the TPS like suspected I am going to have them do it at the shop be cause I heard it was a pain in the ass to change. They're pretty decent guys.

[87_crown_vic]

throttle position sensor is 2 screws that hold it in place... easy work.located on top of the throttle body and sends a signal from the throttlebody butterfly to the computer.

[ReverendRevival]

Someone( I don't remember who) said it was a pain in the ass. Hell I don't even know where to look for it. Does it have to be adjusted after install.
Anyone have a pick of the TPS still on the throttle body?
Maybe if it is easy I will just jam it in myself.

[ReverendRevival]

I have noticed a few people with a stall at idle and it being the egr sensor. How hard is changing the egr sensor and where is it. Wow I really feel noobish.

[87_crown_vic]

egr looks like a ufo by the throttle body.... the tps should look like what they have pictured at rock auto.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php

look up your car and go to the emissions... scroll down to throttle position sensor and it goves you a picture.

[Lincolnmania]

he's got a cfi car jim
the tps is at the side of the throttle body on the cfi unit on your car......not quite as easy as an efi tps but still not hard to replace

[ReverendRevival]

Is there any adjustments that need to be made after install?