Small Block Windsor Full Length Headers

[87CrownVic]

I know this has been asked and answered before but I just cant find it. Does anyone have or know where to purchase prefabricated full length headers for early to late 80's panthers? I'm running an AOD and aftermarket heads and they do have the OE straight header bolt pattern. If someone (God forbid) spent the 1100 some dollars to have custom headers fabricated and they perform, I could use a refference for custom work. I need a minimum 1 3/4 inch primary. Shorties are my last resort and yes I know all the woes of longs vs. shorties and exhaust velocities and scavenging and backpressure issues. Your educated input would be much appreciated.

[Nathan in MI]

No one makes long tubes that fit panther bodies. However, Colin (Mr. Land Yacht) has a buddy that took a set made for a Mustang and made them fit a '90-'91 Crown Vic. They'd need to be done a bit differently to fit the '79-'89 bodies (yes, they are slightly different), but if you're dead set on long tubes, you might talk to the guy and see if you can't work something out.

[mrltd]

Duceandahalf has also modified some mid length headers to fit.

[Lincolnmania]

why would you want to go thru the hassle of long tubes? get some decennt shorty headers for a mustang and an x pipe

[gadget73]

Just out of curiosity, what on earth are you building? I see a couple posts from you recently and it seems you've got something in the works.

[Mercracer]

I need a minimum 1 3/4 inch primary.

You are aware of the availability of 1 3/4" primary shorties, correct? These will support well over 600HP.

[Pirate]

I know this has been asked and answered before but I just cant find it. Does anyone have or know where to purchase prefabricated full length headers for early to late 80's panthers? I'm running an AOD and aftermarket heads and they do have the OE straight header bolt pattern. If someone (God forbid) spent the 1100 some dollars to have custom headers fabricated and they perform, I could use a refference for custom work. I need a minimum 1 3/4 inch primary. Shorties are my last resort and yes I know all the woes of longs vs. shorties and exhaust velocities and scavenging and backpressure issues. Your educated input would be much appreciated.

Ford Powertrain Applications http://www.fordpowertrain.com/ (preferred, they might send you some test-fit headers provided you pay shipping...)
Bassani
Accufab

[phayzer5]

Yeah, I'd like to see what you have planned, since its going to be undoubtedly bigger/higher power than anything at this site so far...

[mrltd]

You are aware of the availability of 1 3/4" primary shorties, correct? These will support well over 600HP.

but they'll rob 7hp over a set of longtubes...

[Mercracer]

but they'll rob 7hp over a set of longtubes...

ZOMG!! You're right!!!!!! And that's just the unequal length long tubes... imagine how much they rob over a set of equal length long tubes..........

[P72Ford]

If I were given the choice between $300 shorty headers and $600 long tubes, I'd buy the long tubes. I just like the way they look better, and the fact that they bring the exhaust under the car, making it easier to fabricate and continue the exhaust system. Shortys necessitate front pipes (may have to be custome bent), etc. They're cheaper, and will probably be just as effective for most engines, but I like the longtubes.

[Mercracer]

If I were given the choice between $300 shorty headers and $600 long tubes, I'd buy the long tubes. I just like the way they look better, and the fact that they bring the exhaust under the car, making it easier to fabricate and continue the exhaust system. Shortys necessitate front pipes (may have to be custome bent), etc. They're cheaper, and will probably be just as effective for most engines, but I like the longtubes.

Unless you are using flex pipe or trying to use pipes without a single bend, it isn't any easier to use long tubes. The ease of fitment with short tubes and the additional clearance that you commonly have actually makes it easier to fabricate pipes for short tubes...
You can put them wherever you want. You loose ground clearance commonly with long tube headers....
Not too many people willing to spend $600 on headers for their Panther on this board....

[P72Ford]

Unless you are using flex pipe or trying to use pipes without a single bend, it isn't any easier to use long tubes. The ease of fitment with short tubes and the additional clearance that you commonly have actually makes it easier to fabricate pipes for short tubes...
You can put them wherever you want. You loose ground clearance commonly with long tube headers....
Not too many people willing to spend $600 on headers for their Panther on this board....

I'm not trying to argue about this. If I put long tubes on a car, yes, I may lose ground clearance. But, all I have to do is get some reducers, and pipe, and I have an exhaust (dumped under the car). I don't have to bend anything. Some reducers welded on some pipe, some extensions, mufflers, and dumps. Done.

Shortys require a front pipe that you may be able to buy (if one is made for your app). But, it may have to be custom bent, etc, etc.

Longtubes for me all day long if given the choice.

[Mercracer]

If I put long tubes on a car, yes, I may lose ground clearance. But, all I have to do is get some reducers, and pipe, and I have an exhaust (dumped under the car).

That is fine for a summer hot rod, but a daily winter driver needs exhaust out the back as CO sucks........
That is my personal preference and choice...... to each his own.....

[Pesty351]

Why do you need exhaust out the back for winter? Ive had dumps and sidepipes hook up to long tubes in northern Indiana with out any problems.