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Pirate
04-28-2009, 02:35 PM
Howdy....I discovered a new toy today....

NAPA now offers part #66226HDN, which is, essentially, a 3G alternator with harness, that replaces original part #66218....retail price is $197.99.....but I might be able to pull something off to get that lower. I also have a 1989-1993 T-bird 5.0 130-amp alternator option (stockers are only 95 amps), but it requires that you use the 6-groove pulley from the original alternator.

Yes, this is the same 3G you can buy at a wrecking yard, but if you are in a pinch, and want a new alternator, AND don't want to monkey around with the wiring....it's almost a direct bolt-on.

For further details, email me at racingmoose@msn.com.

70torino429
04-28-2009, 02:38 PM
thats neato.

general 3g alt question as well as including that new alt you mentioned. do these alternators fit ford trucks of the same era as well?

Pirate
04-28-2009, 02:45 PM
thats neato.

general 3g alt question as well as including that new alt you mentioned. do these alternators fit ford trucks of the same era as well?

I'm working on cross-referencing as we speak.

EDIT: It fits the trucks, also, that use either a 66218 or 66226 alternator.

70torino429
04-28-2009, 02:58 PM
thanks! wish i knew this a year ago when i replaced the alt in my other truck but next time i need one ill certainly spring for one of those, since with the subwoofer and foglights im kind of maxing out the charging system

Pirate
04-28-2009, 05:22 PM
Some new applications:
66228HDN fits 1990-1991 Explorer
66221HDN fits most 1987-1994 F-series with a 300-6
66215HDN fits most 1986-1990 Bronco II's, and 1986-1992 2.9 Rangers

As for the 66214HDN and 66212HDN, I'm waiting for one to arrive to see if it fits the T-bird.

All of these alternators are 130 amp, if I'm reading this correctly.

GM_Guy
04-29-2009, 07:20 PM
Scroll down to '2G Solution Flyer'.
http://napaproseries.com/Sales-Flyers

66226 (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(izpy4jjfzzkyi455jbx2wt3k))/Detail.aspx?R=NAE66226_0057908446) 6 groove serpentine. proper clocking. NAE66226HDN specific one for the serpentine belted boxes.

66212 (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(izpy4jjfzzkyi455jbx2wt3k))/Detail.aspx?R=NAE66212_0058008664) V-belt. Wrong mounts.

66214 (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(izpy4jjfzzkyi455jbx2wt3k))/Detail.aspx?R=NAE66214_0214141969) 4 groove serpentine. Wrong mounts.

Seems like you work at a Napa, a few minutes with the computer hopefully spits out all the original part number apps listed in the flyer.

Alex.

Pirate
04-29-2009, 08:27 PM
66212 (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(izpy4jjfzzkyi455jbx2wt3k))/Detail.aspx?R=NAE66212_0058008664) V-belt. Wrong mounts.

66214 (http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(izpy4jjfzzkyi455jbx2wt3k))/Detail.aspx?R=NAE66214_0214141969) 4 groove serpentine. Wrong mounts.



Wrong mounts? Not for a 1989-1993 Ford T-bird with a 5.0....the upper mounting ear for the MN12 5.0 alternator is at the 2 o'clock position, vs, the 6-and-12 ears of the 66226HDN. I now have a 66214HDN in the building here, and the 66226HDN, and I'm waiting for a regular 66239 T-bird alternator to arrive tomorrow to verify that everything lines up with the 66214HDN.

351m
04-30-2009, 12:49 AM
I believe the mounting pattern is the same as the 83-94.5 IDI Diesels as well is it not? Other then wiring it should bolt right in.

Lincolnmania
04-30-2009, 01:01 AM
excellent....the price is not bad.....iirc i paid around 177 for the last new 3ag

packman
04-30-2009, 08:41 AM
So, will these new alternators plug-in to our 2g harnesses? When I get back from work tonight, I'll go and check the model number of the stock 2g alt. I got in the CV.



Packman

Lincolnmania
04-30-2009, 08:55 AM
no
teh power plug was nothing but trouble on the 2g's

Pirate
04-30-2009, 01:25 PM
I've gotten an email or two concerning the alternators, concerning whether or not the 66226HDN fits the '85-down cars....I don't know yet. There are a couple of v-belt alternators, but it seems like the regular 85-down alternators still used the remote voltage regulators (I owned three 1985 wagons, but I can't remember what style of alternator they used).

I'm off work today and tomorrow, but I'm stopping by there here in a little while, as I want to see if the T-bird alternator matches the 66214HDN alternator I already have sitting at work. The 130-amp alternator, if it works, would be a nice boost over the turd 95-amp unit that's in my car already (it's a new Ford unit, but it sucks). In addition, I'll run through the HDN alternators to see if there is a 85-down-suitable replacement.....but I'm thinking that this group of guys is still going to have to redo their wiring to make it work, methinks.

More later.


no
teh power plug was nothing but trouble on the 2g's

Ditto.

For those of you who haven't heard of this problem, the older 2G alternators are famous for building up a shitload of resistance, causing shorts and fires. More than one car has burned to the ground due to this problem, which has resulted in most replacement 2G alternators now coming without a plug, requiring you cut the old plug off, and hard-wire the new plug-less alternator into your harness.

The 3G bypassed the 'plug' setup.

85crownHPP
04-30-2009, 04:40 PM
My small case 3G fit my 85 fine, except for needing the longer belt due to restricted adjustment range.
Just two wires to splice into the 3G harness, then you can throw away the original external regulator and all its wiring.
3G install into externally regulated '85 (http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?t=28843)

hav24wheel
04-30-2009, 04:47 PM
I called the local napa here, (BIS, ND) and i had to give them th epart # and he told me $204. I really don't think its all that good of a deal, not when you can get a 160 amp unit and wiring from Ryan at http://rjminjectiontech.com/ for less...

Pirate
04-30-2009, 04:48 PM
My small case 3G fit my 85 fine, except for needing the longer belt due to restricted adjustment range.
Just two wires to splice into the 3G harness, then you can throw away the original external regulator and all its wiring.
3G install into externally regulated '85 (http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?t=28843)

I thought someone here had done it already, but I didn't have time to look.

Well, Ray, that answers your question.

Pirate
04-30-2009, 05:03 PM
I called the local napa here, (BIS, ND) and i had to give them th epart # and he told me $204. I really don't think its all that good of a deal, not when you can get a 160 amp unit and wiring from Ryan at http://rjminjectiontech.com/ for less...




For further details, email me at racingmoose@msn.com.

There's more than one reason why I said to email me....price was one of them. Some of the regulars here on GMN also have business accounts with NAPA stores....

Concerning the alternators NAPA has available; they already come with the new harness wires (you have to buy those from this guy separately, AND pay shipping costs on the unit), and they have a warranty covered by every NAPA in existence. If it goes bad, provided you keep your receipt, you get a replacement immediately in some cases....with this other guy?

Concerning the cheap prices of the 160-amp 3G's being offered? I know what the units I mentioned cost, bulk rate; I'm a little curious as to how much money this guy is making from his alternator sales, as NAPA buys these units in bulk, and still pays a hefty price tag.

Something smells a bit fishy.

Don't get me wrong, I like what the guy is offering, I am very interested in the AODE harness as a possibility for the heap project I have. I'm just not convinced that the Alternator from him is a great idea, especially if something breaks.

GM_Guy
04-30-2009, 06:23 PM
Wrong mounts?

For boxes...

hav24wheel
04-30-2009, 07:35 PM
the reason i mentioned Ryan is that everybody over on fullsizebronco.com have nothing but good things to say about him.... plus some people are looking for the most output in a alt. they can get. so that 160 amp unit might be the way to go, $125 is what he is charging i think, but yes without the harness. I thought Ryan's deal was good being just a stock replacement alt. in a 130 amp 3G is around $160 from some local parts stores...

Pirate
04-30-2009, 07:57 PM
For boxes...

Right. That's why I was speaking of those two part #'s in reference to my T-bird. So far as the original post went, I might have skipped the mention of what the 66226HDN was for, but since I was posting it in a Box forum....



the reason i mentioned Ryan is that everybody over on fullsizebronco.com have nothing but good things to say about him.... plus some people are looking for the most output in a alt. they can get. so that 160 amp unit might be the way to go, $125 is what he is charging i think, but yes without the harness. I thought Ryan's deal was good being just a stock replacement alt. in a 130 amp 3G is around $160 from some local parts stores...

If it's not Chinese junk, that's not a bad deal. The part-return issue, if it comes up, will be a problem if a defective 'Ryan's unit' is installed on an 'only-vehicle', and you need to get back on the road quickly.

hav24wheel
04-30-2009, 08:10 PM
true, but in this part of the country, the napa unit you are talking about isn't a same day thing, the local Napa store never even heard about these alts. i had to give them the part #s and i printed off the web page for them that you originally posted. they told me the Napas in the south western states stock them, and they would have to order me one.

Pirate
04-30-2009, 08:39 PM
true, but in this part of the country, the napa unit you are talking about isn't a same day thing, the local Napa store never even heard about these alts. i had to give them the part #s and i printed off the web page for them that you originally posted. they told me the Napas in the south western states stock them, and they would have to order me one.

Well, give them a swift kick in the ass. Not every NAPA is as good as the one that I work at, nor do they have me for a counterperson (which might not be a bad thing, lol).

Pirate
05-02-2009, 12:59 PM
Verified! the 66214HDN has the same case as the T-bird unit! Rejoice!