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Lincolnmania
05-14-2010, 08:32 PM
ryans here......thain and i have been harvesting towny parts for the past two days.......on our way home from ez pull today, we stopped at the store and loaded up on groceries........well on the way back the lss popped a heater hose.....we were in sheetz parking lot, and ryan is out on 901.......i didnt have his phone number with me, we are yelling and waving our arms and he didnt see us.......anyway thain and i made it so we could get back here......the ice cream went soft, everything else is ok.
nick is supposed to be here tommorow some time......we have to hit up some more junkyards, and finish cutting the roof section out of the 82 town car

andymac0035
05-14-2010, 10:31 PM
Dang that sucks mang.
One more reason to keep after us about new hoses.
(I had to say it LOL)

Lincolnmania
05-14-2010, 11:24 PM
i warn you guys about those hoses.....the one that blew was less than 6 yrs old, had about 30,000 miles on it

removing fuzz from the roof of thains towny...........ryan brought some genuine buffalo wings! mmm!

CheeseSteakJim
05-15-2010, 10:51 AM
it ain't a party til i show up

87gtVIC
05-15-2010, 02:17 PM
How did Thain manage to bandage the heater core hose?

P72Ford
05-15-2010, 02:24 PM
Nick?

Ya bastid.

Have fun you guys!!!!!!!

CheeseSteakJim
05-15-2010, 03:45 PM
What? You wanna go? You're welcome to tag along... Disasterfest2k10 has apparently hit Connecticut as I went out today to find that my El Camino had blown another ignition coil. Can't get the parts until Monday.

gadget73
05-15-2010, 05:29 PM
How did Thain manage to bandage the heater core hose?

Cut the good one and connected it to the TBL. It just barely reached but it held long enough to get back to the shop. Picked up replacements today, but as usual nobody actually had the right shit. I got one hose at Napa, got half of the other at Autozone. Hopefully its enough that I can get something together on it.


Brought home the roof chunk, an inner fender from a 1990 Towncar, a fuse box from a 98 Grand Marq and plenty enough wires on the fuse box that I ought to be able to tuck most of the BS that lives on the inside of the fender out of sight so it won't look so horrible. I'll wait to do that until we decide if that fender needs replacing or not. I'm not fighting that plastic liner in there if the outer metal fender is going to end up being removed anyway. Its got no rot, but I noticed some funky ripples over the wheel lip from the tire crashing into the wheelwell over the years.

87gtVIC
05-15-2010, 05:39 PM
Cool.... fuse box here you come.

oh and be careful when you re-pin the connectors of the fuse box. Those little tabby holder things like to break.

P72Ford
05-15-2010, 06:04 PM
What? You wanna go? You're welcome to tag along... Disasterfest2k10 has apparently hit Connecticut as I went out today to find that my El Camino had blown another ignition coil. Can't get the parts until Monday.

I want to go, but I just have too much other stuff going on now.

You going to Scottfest?

Lincolnmania
05-15-2010, 10:14 PM
we were getting the donor 4.6 bastard block engine ready to put in the 92 grand marquis.......changing the spark plugs, one of the plugs came out of the hole without the threaded part, that is still stuck in the cylinder.......i'm currently taking a break from getting it out, if it does not come out, i have a 302 high output here from a 92 cougar......thain and ryan are replacing the heater hoses on my townie, then we are going to replace ryans steering box

gadget73
05-15-2010, 11:41 PM
4.6 liters of failure. Harvesting of parts for a HO conversion shall commence.

79lincolnlover
05-16-2010, 12:13 AM
A 5.0 powered aero GM?

gadget73
05-16-2010, 12:17 AM
why not?

seneeb
05-16-2010, 12:28 AM
that, would rock

torquelover
05-16-2010, 01:22 AM
Exploder 302 + Aero :)

Lincolnmania
05-16-2010, 02:45 AM
cougar 302 + aero will have to do, cause that's what i have in stock......the 92 cougar engine supposedly has the cobra cam, so it should run pretty well......this is a low budget (read using what i have here) project.

ryan has his new steering box installed, we need to get a new power steering pressure hose in the morning and a pair of outer tie rod ends and possibly an idler arm

then the 5.0 conversion begins!

monterey1962
05-16-2010, 02:49 AM
ryans here......thain and i have been harvesting towny parts for the past two days.......on our way home from ez pull today, we stopped at the store and loaded up on groceries........well on the way back the lss popped a heater hose.....we were in sheetz parking lot, and ryan is out on 901.......i didnt have his phone number with me, we are yelling and waving our arms and he didnt see us.......anyway thain and i made it so we could get back here......the ice cream went soft, everything else is ok.
nick is supposed to be here tommorow some time......we have to hit up some more junkyards, and finish cutting the roof section out of the 82 town car

Funny ... tonight I picked up DQ ice cream with the '88. Quick stopped at the store before heading home. Got in the '88 and all I got was *whirrrrrrrr* everytime I hit the ignition. After a fair amount of swearing and about 8 turns of the key, the starter finally grabbed. My ice cream survived, but the people within ear-shot of me were probably scarred.

There must be a lesson here.

86VickyLX
05-16-2010, 11:56 AM
Disasterfest, perfect name for it.

Lincolnmania
05-16-2010, 10:34 PM
ryans steering is safe now!
tearing the cougar accys off this 302......gotta replace the rusty valve covers and swap timing cover and water pump and distributor and drop this pig in and go harvest some 90 towny headers tommorow......i'd use a mustang off road pipe if i had one here, just dont have the extra 150 bucks......have the cats from vals vic, going to use them with the 90 towny headers for now.

torquelover
05-16-2010, 10:43 PM
cougar 302 + aero will have to do, cause that's what i have in stock......the 92 cougar engine supposedly has the cobra cam, so it should run pretty well......this is a low budget (read using what i have here) project.


Will it be EFI or carb?

Lincolnmania
05-16-2010, 10:49 PM
efi......we dont have no stinkin carb parts around here lol

FatNasty
05-17-2010, 12:38 AM
This should be awesome, pics pics pics when you got 'em!

Lincolnmania
05-17-2010, 03:46 AM
making lots of scrap metal.......throwing away parts i'll never need as i'm finding stuff i need to do this motor swap......found the motor mount brackets for the 302 a little while ago, replaced the rear main seal, flexplate is on

4door
05-17-2010, 05:14 AM
Mr. Scott, why so 'anti - carb' ?

Lincolnmania
05-17-2010, 05:25 AM
i'm not a big fan of carbs, but to each his own......i had carbed cars in the past when electronic fuel injection was a new thing on cars, they run ok, but efi is better for day to day driving in my opinion.
also because i'm using up what i have laying around here that i got for free or cheap.......i dont have any four barrel intake manifolds and carbs laying around, that would blow the budget if i had to buy them.....the wiring harness that i need is going to cost about ten dollars.....the town car tubular manifolds are going to be 20 dollars. the new parts that i need to put this together around 120 dollars. everything else i have here.........i was thinking of getting a 351 to drop in it, but that would have added to the budget, the budget for this build is $250.00..........the money i had put aside for fuel and food for southernfest.

gadget73
05-17-2010, 11:32 AM
Its amazing what can be done on no budget when there are used and salvaged parts on hand. I'm dead sure this will not be 100% optimal when we're done with it, but it will run.

CheeseSteakJim
05-17-2010, 09:10 PM
Disasterfest2k10 continues. I received a defective ignition coil (that I had to special order) and the speakers I bought for my dash are too fucking tall. I hate this fucking car. I need to now special order yet another coil (third one that the car will have had this month) and cut up my pristine speaker grills because apparently no speakers are made that directly fit this stupid fucking speaker design.

If I wasn't so stubborn (and if my friend who I bought it from wasn't still so attached to the car) I'd just junk this stupid fucking Chevy and buy another Ford.

Lincolnmania
05-17-2010, 09:15 PM
still on the hunt for 1/4 panel sections and a trunk lid.......all the box townies are rotted in the 1/4's or smashed. the trunk lids all have the locks pried out of them.

got 90 towny manifolds and a 91 grand marquis wiring harness, tv cable and throttle cable today......picked up a mk7 ecm and a mk7 tripminder too
splashed some paint on the ho motor this morning too.

SVT98t
05-18-2010, 11:36 AM
Aye for DisasterFest Continuing...........
My odometer stopped working 87 miles after i left your place. Guess it's time to go superglue the one out of the spare cluster i have!
By the way, i made it home. I enjoyed the weekend down there. And the car steers great.
Thanks for letting me crash there all weekend.

-ryan s.

Lincolnmania
05-18-2010, 05:56 PM
thanks for coming and helping out ryan! glad you had a good time, i know i had a blast!
the wings rawked! need more blue cheese dressing and celery next time hehe.

thanks thain for helping out too! i couldnt have a better friend than thain!

some pics of what we got done, thain has to head home tonite, and i have broken jeep and ranger, and mk7's to fix......this project is to be continued, but will be finished soon

P72Ford
05-18-2010, 07:32 PM
Scott, whats that engine going in? The '92 GMQ?

andymac0035
05-18-2010, 08:31 PM
and i have broken jeep and ranger, and mk7's to fix......this project is to be continued, but will be finished soon

Hey Scott, did that ABS unit show up yet?
(and was it okay?)

Lincolnmania
05-18-2010, 08:31 PM
yes the 92 grand marquis.

using an explorer fuel rail...have to use a 1/2" intake spacer to clear the fuel pressure regulator......car is in the shop, thain is dewiring it.
you can see from the pics where the 4.6 fuel system tied in

Lincolnmania
05-18-2010, 08:36 PM
Hey Scott, did that ABS unit show up yet?
(and was it okay?)

i gotta go to the post office tommorow.......the postage fell off the box or something, and they wanted my roomate to pay postage.....hopefully it's not a hassle

Cable Guys FGMQ
05-18-2010, 10:06 PM
Hey nice work Scott on my wife old car, as time went on my wife doesn`t the car since she want something else to drive, since the FGMQ was a gift from me do to the Box & HPP getting serviced in the past w/me unable to get the FGMQ inmotion due to other reasons & lew of the bill of my last sevice of my Box ..

CheeseSteakJim
05-19-2010, 12:25 AM
Got the car running today. Put another brand new ignition coil in and it started in half a crank. Also got a stereo and two speakers installed, albeit kind of jury rigged. It rained all day and I'm soaked. Just got inside half an hour ago.

Is this the end of Disasterfest2k10, or am I going to get stabbed and raped in New York City tomorrow?

Pirate
05-19-2010, 02:26 AM
........or am I going to get stabbed and raped in New York City tomorrow?

Las Vegas bookies are 2:1 for both happening.

87gtVIC
05-19-2010, 06:06 AM
Scott where are the computers located on the 4.6's?

Nick what you doing around here?

Lincolnmania
05-19-2010, 06:30 AM
same location as the box ecm

the engine is in! it fought ivan and i for a while......still have to put the trans mount back in, had to remove it to slide the engine on the mounts.....the mount looks a tad different than the box one, might need the box one, i dont know yet.

CheeseSteakJim
05-19-2010, 10:22 AM
Nick what you doing around here?

I'm visiting a friend of mine and staying overnight.

P72Ford
05-19-2010, 10:23 AM
So this car is for you, Scott?

The engine looks sweet!

:headbang:

Lincolnmania
05-19-2010, 11:32 AM
yes it is for me......i love the interior......the body needs paint, but it still looks decent from a few feet away

SVT98t
05-19-2010, 12:07 PM
outstanding! we'll do the comparison pic this weekend.
can't wait to hear it!

-ryan s.

86VickyLX
05-19-2010, 12:07 PM
I wanna see pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol. Is it running yet?

SVT98t
05-19-2010, 08:11 PM
So i went to fix the odometer thing. Not quite.
Odometer doesnt work
or the speedometer
or the fuel gauge
poop.

went back, and now:
speedometer works
fuel guage works
odometer is still broken.

thats 3 worm gears and 3 other-thingy gears that are busted.
F- it

-ryan s.

Rodentkiller
05-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Crown Vic Odometers are noted for breaking mine is busted on the third trip so what can I say.

gadget73
05-19-2010, 11:26 PM
I wanna see pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol. Is it running yet?

Awaiting a 92 EVTM to figure out what the hell all those extra wires are. 4.6 motors have a hell of a lot more connection to the body harness than 5.0 efi does.

SVT98t
05-20-2010, 11:23 AM
like?? any questions? or waiting for ze manual?

-ryan s.

85crownHPP
05-20-2010, 04:52 PM
Man I wish I could help out with that wiring!!!

86VickyLX
05-20-2010, 08:47 PM
You guys are running the 302 with the distributor set up right?

86VickyLX
05-20-2010, 08:49 PM
I can find you wiring diagrams for a '92 I think. Lemme check

86VickyLX
05-20-2010, 08:53 PM
It's two separate pages, so you'll have to put it together. Sorry for the resolution, it's just how it copied.

http://www.ondemand5.com/mric/common/asp/Graphic.aspx?MOD=REPTIFF&MODULE_ID=1&SESSION_ID=%7bEDB4C520-6FF1-471F-B3F2-2E84EF6435C8%7d&IMAGE_GUID=92F04703&PRINT_BW=0&http://www.ondemand5.com/mric/common/asp/Graphic.aspx?MOD=REPTIFF&MODULE_ID=1&SESSION_ID=%7bEDB4C520-6FF1-471F-B3F2-2E84EF6435C8%7d&IMAGE_GUID=92H04704&PRINT_BW=0&

86VickyLX
05-20-2010, 08:59 PM
For some reason, they wouldn't copy on the same post, so I had to post again. You should be able to resize it on your computer. and print it. Again, sorry for the huge resolution.http://www.ondemand5.com/mric/common/asp/Graphic.aspx?MOD=REPTIFF&MODULE_ID=1&SESSION_ID=%7bEDB4C520-6FF1-471F-B3F2-2E84EF6435C8%7d&IMAGE_GUID=92H04704&PRINT_BW=0&

gadget73
05-20-2010, 09:18 PM
like?? any questions? or waiting for ze manual?

-ryan s.

There are two plugs near the ECM, a big square grey one and a smaller round black one. I have NFC what any of those wires do. I also need to look into how the starting system works on a round car. The 1991 EFI harness has the starter relay trigger wiring in it, but the car also has it there. I don't know which I need to use, or if I need to tap them together somehow.

Ditto on the AC wiring. Boxes have the low pressure switch, compressor, and AC cutout relay wiring as part of the EFI harness. There is already something plugged into the low pressure switch on the 92. No idea how or if I need to tie into that. THats of less importance, but eventually I do want to figure out how to make cold air with it.

The EVTM ought to tell me what I want to know. I'm a big fan of paper manuals. More than once I've taken one to the "thinking stool" and studied them while working out other issues. Its less convenient to take electronical devices in there.

gadget73
05-20-2010, 09:20 PM
Man I wish I could help out with that wiring!!!

If you have the 1991 ECM wiring, that would be a big help. Also, if you could let me know what the 2 pin squarish plug is that comes out of the harness that connects to the TFI, the coil, the AC compressor and the temperature sender, I'd appreciate it. Its not the coil plug. I'm thinking maybe washer bottle level? It looks to sit in the wrong place though.


For some reason, they wouldn't copy on the same post, so I had to post again. You should be able to resize it on your computer. and print it. Again, sorry for the huge resolution.


am see nothing. email it to me? Scott did order a 92 EVTM, and I'm not going to be up there for a few days so its not super critical, though I do appreciate it.

86VickyLX
05-20-2010, 09:36 PM
Sorry, I sent you an IM with the info. If you're not at your computer, I could send you a PM. You can delete those posts then. Oh, btw, are you using the MAF '91 set up? or the speed density?

Are the wires coming out of it pink with a light blue stripe wire?

FatNasty
05-20-2010, 11:29 PM
If you have the 1991 ECM wiring, that would be a big help. Also, if you could let me know what the 2 pin squarish plug is that comes out of the harness that connects to the TFI, the coil, the AC compressor and the temperature sender, I'd appreciate it. Its not the coil plug. I'm thinking maybe washer bottle level? It looks to sit in the wrong place though.


you talking about a spout connector size plug on the drivers side fender near the test connectors? Or is it closer to the stuff on the front of the engine?

Pirate
05-21-2010, 04:17 AM
By the way, the 90' Lincoln manifolds, as seen above, are now officially called 'Lincoln Logs'.

sly
05-21-2010, 01:01 PM
:lol:

Lincolnmania
05-21-2010, 01:18 PM
pics of the engine in

more to come

87gtVIC
05-21-2010, 01:42 PM
So the motor mounts worked out fine?

BTW the engine looks TINY in the bay!

86VickyLX
05-21-2010, 02:56 PM
Distributor looks so damn tall! Lol. That's awesome!

85crownHPP
05-21-2010, 03:06 PM
I'll take some pics of the '91 wiring diagrams and poke around under the hood this weekend. I can't recall what that odd plug is... but you should be able to use the 91's start circuit by splicing into the wiring coming out of the NSS near the tranny dipstick (thats where the plug for the 91 wiring is anyway). I added some detail about that in the end of my EFI swap thread about that. Using the car's original start circuit and not splicing this in gave me a high-rev startup.

grandpaslincoln
05-21-2010, 03:50 PM
Oooooh baby!

gadget73
05-21-2010, 05:28 PM
you talking about a spout connector size plug on the drivers side fender near the test connectors? Or is it closer to the stuff on the front of the engine?

bigger than a SPOUT connector. It looks like it may be washer fluid level but I don't know. Doesn't seem like it would reach the wash bottle.

gabegt90
05-21-2010, 10:19 PM
looks like you guys had fun wish I could have made it up I'll be up next weekend

Cable Guys FGMQ
05-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Very nice from a former Bastard Block Version, by the way nice fit going Bastard block is the way to go on an Aero for a 302 convertion looking good Scott I`ll put it on my Ford Grand Maquis site ..

SVT98t
05-24-2010, 10:30 AM
I posted the starting schematics on the aero/... f-it here.
http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?t=37089
I'll look once i get home today.

i wish i could've stopped by over the weekend. By the way, 451.1 on one tank 28.01 mpg.

:-)

-ryan s.

CheeseSteakJim
05-24-2010, 01:28 PM
About to make the 5hr drive to Scott's. Here's hoping my car doesn't leave me stranded. :)

Grand Marquis GT
05-24-2010, 01:40 PM
I think a bastard block would be great for my upcoming 4.6 SOHC build. Hmmm

87gtVIC
05-24-2010, 01:41 PM
About to make the 5hr drive to Scott's. Here's hoping my car doesn't leave me stranded. :)

I was gonna ask what was going on....over a week late because of unexpected problems. Good Luck.

CheeseSteakJim
05-25-2010, 08:11 PM
Made it here fine. Only thing that broke is the exhaust when I hit a really deep pothole. By the time I got to Skip's it was sitting on the rear axle. Just finished rehanging it.

Car ran pretty hot and was pinging any time I got into it too. Gotta check timing.

87gtVIC
05-25-2010, 08:12 PM
It took you an entire day!

CheeseSteakJim
05-25-2010, 08:16 PM
Nah, just an entire day to post. I got here at like 8pm last night.

87gtVIC
05-25-2010, 08:21 PM
yay! Glad you made it.

marquisman
05-25-2010, 08:23 PM
that 302 looks so right in that aero

P72Ford
05-25-2010, 08:26 PM
Nah, just an entire day to post. I got here at like 8pm last night.

The fastest I have made the trip was the return trip from SF09. Even after dropping you off, I still made it home in 4 hrs 15 minutes. I maintained alot of speed the whole time though.

One time I drove through all of NY at 100+. But, due to encountering traffic in Hartford and Waterbury, my total time was dismal.

gadget73
05-25-2010, 09:17 PM
running hot and pinging could also be running lean. That thing has a Qjet on it? Might be worth checking the carb mounting bolts. I've had the rear ones work loose before. The advancing weights also seize in HEI distributors sometimes. Usually they seize non-advanced but sometimes they jam the other way and it runs full advance all the time.

CheeseSteakJim
05-25-2010, 10:41 PM
Nah, they're moving fine. I actually checked that the other day while putting a new rotor and cap on. Last time I pulled the plugs they looked pretty good too, just a nice light brown.

I'm hoping to start on your car tomorrow. We have to get this damned Blazer finished and out of the way.

Cable Guys FGMQ
05-26-2010, 08:39 AM
Scott R & R`s got some Boxes in the yard for what u might need ?

CheeseSteakJim
06-04-2010, 04:11 PM
Disasterfest is back in full force. I blew a radiator hose in Wilkes-Barre and Advance Auto was kind enough to bring me coolant and a new hose. 45 minutes later I was on my way again.

...10 miles later the left head gasket blew. Badly.

I'm hanging out at a Subway at the moment. Scott is coming with the truck and tow dolly. I feel like a total dick for pulling him away from Carlisle.

Fuck.

Lincolnmania
06-04-2010, 08:14 PM
dont worry about it, i would want someone to rescue me in a timely manner if i broke down......i was about three hours south of nick when he called.......carlisle is around the mile 50 marker and nick was broke down at the 180 mile marker......sending nick home in bills country squire.......normally i'd let him use the mark, but i need it for the car show this weekend, and the lss is at thains house in south jersey and thains s10 is in south jersey too.......i gotta get the vic out of the ex gf's name asap.

gadget73
06-04-2010, 09:26 PM
I'd have offered the S10 up but you'd have to hang out here till Sunday and ride to Jersey with me. my car certainly is in no condition for a trip, though mechanically it would do fine. Just something about driving without front glass that screws things up.

CheeseSteakJim
06-05-2010, 01:14 AM
Well, I got home, and in a timely manner too. Made good time I suppose... kept it at about 65 the whole way. Please thank Bill again for me. His car did great, though it stank like burning oil most of the way. Took one quart after about 150 miles. Probably due for another. I'll check tomorrow. For now - sleep.

Thanks for the help Scott. I only work at this job every other weekend but what I do there is not replaceable on such short notice. I really appreciate you and Bill helping me get home in time.

Thanks for the offer Thain, but it was pretty important that I get home tonight. I could have waited if I had absolutely no choice but it would've put me in a tough spot with my boss.

gadget73
06-05-2010, 09:01 PM
yeah that thing burns oil like mad. I've never seen a 302 so clapped out that ran so well. That car actually drives decently for as horrible as it looks.

87gtVIC
06-06-2010, 05:46 AM
Make sure to drive in reverse on long bumpy driveways. Dont want her to fall apart on ya.