crazy idea, 385-series BB

[BigMikeIT]

Hi,

What would need to be done to put the 429 PI D0OE-B into my 87MGM?
Is it in the realm of possibility?

Is the 8.8 rear enough? Which tranny's would I need?

Thanks.

[Grand Marquis GT]

Check this out:

http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?44268-My-1989-Lincoln-557-cobra-jet-project-in-progress

It's been done, but it WILL require some werk.

[BigMikeIT]

Check this out:

http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthread.php?44268-My-1989-Lincoln-557-cobra-jet-project-in-progress

It's been done, but it WILL require some werk.


I'm the in the beginning research stages.
Hmm. That's the 460? So I guess the 429 PI version may be a bit lighter.

Maybe a 427 cammer. I'm looking for a specific sound, since 302's can be upgraded anyways.

[1990LTD]

I'm the in the beginning research stages.
Hmm. That's the 460? So I guess the 429 PI version may be a bit lighter.

Maybe a 427 cammer. I'm looking for a specific sound, since 302's can be upgraded anyways.


427 cammer = good feckin' luck

[BigMikeIT]

427 cammer = good feckin' luck


Aaaaahhhh, 38K-60K...............
Maybe the 429PI is the better wish list block for a biggie.

Forget about the cost of just the engine. Everything else drivetrain would need to be replaced too.
And even if that was done, the cars would be a fish on the road. Oh well.

[1987cp]

It's an interesting idea that lots of people have thrown around and then decided to just get a junkyard Explorer engine. I'm pretty sure the main hassles would be things like exhaust, motor mounts, and bellhousing compatibilty.

Too bad the linked thread doesn't seem to provide a whole lot in the way of details, since that project looks quite neat even though I spy a carburetor of outdated design ....


What do you mean by "specific sound"?

[BigMikeIT]

It's an interesting idea that lots of people have thrown around and then decided to just get a junkyard Explorer engine. I'm pretty sure the main hassles would be things like exhaust, motor mounts, and bellhousing compatibilty.

Too bad the linked thread doesn't seem to provide a whole lot in the way of details, since that project looks quite neat even though I spy a carburetor of outdated design ....


What do you mean by "specific sound"?

Well, I have these 18" cherrybomb glasspacks, though with the original 3-way cats still on.
When I accel hard (and drain the gas tank with the original injectors), I can only get that cool popping just before the converter stalls forcing the next gear. I want to get a good robust hotrod popping like from that '70 Dodge Coronet in the movie '25th Hour' (see here:
http://youtu.be/gD22Ae3kHLY). Link to movie http://www.25thhoursuperbee.com/25th_hour/ABOUT.html.

I remember a friend of my mine in college having an '87 T-bird with the 302HO engine and these no-name chrome looking glasspacks that made a nice raspy sputtering even when idling. Sorta sounded like Smitties, but more like smitties blowing into a pillow. Very unique sound. He didn't know which type they were, installed from an American Muffler shop. Maybe it was the HO.

Actually, the glasspacks on my car are just as old as the tires I need to replace (10 years, Vogues) and they sound even better.
I often wonder just how loud my current exhaust is, since folks back off when I accel on the highway. The current exhaust on a factory (Canadian) lopo 302 F code engine with stock manifolds. I noted in one of my earlier posts that the car originally had four cats, two small ones near the end of the manifolds, then the existing two 3-ways. Now just the two 3-ways exist. If I could pry open the old cats, gut the ceramic, then MIG them shut.....

What would I need to do to get that "Dodge 440 Magnum 6 Pack Super Bee" sound, and still stay Ford?

Thanks

[johnunit]

4 barrel carb and more aggressive cam will net you a meaner sound, not to mention actually making the car meaner.

[johnunit]

Also, shorter glasspacks will sound rawer, and playing with exhaust tip size and shape will make a difference.

My car is about as raw and poppy sounding as a stockish engine gets, and it has cats. Removing cats will make it louder, but generally not change tone/smoothness much. I started my car up with the exhaust hacked after the cats, and it was basically like mildly quiet open headers. There's a quick video of it if you check my reader's ride thread.

Increase compression, swap to a performance carb, and stab in an Ho cam or hotter aftermarket cam, and you'll be much closer to the sound you seek.

[1987cp]

Interesting. Guess I'm not much help, since I've long since lost interest in being loud. My cars have to be used for family transportation, so I do what I can to keep them smooth and quiet! It's actually surprising how much my views on noise changed once I no longer had a stock 2" exhaust in place - changed from wanting to be heard, period, to wanting not to go deaf!

Actually, several cam-tech threads at SBFtech.com talked about the reality of being able to have a Windsor motor that idles smooth at 600 AND zing to 7000+rpm while making a ton of power. Not the same as the old lumpy-idle type of street cred, though. Their point of view seems to be, build an engine to make good power, and then have a cam guy design a grind to do what you want it to do. For me, I'd want a completely smooth idle, but if you want a lumpy idle, they can of course do that too.

[johnunit]

Lookin at the specs of some of the cams at sbftech, i'd think they'd idle smoothly in terms of speed and vacuum, but I think the sound would still be meaner than a stock lopo.

[marquisman]

4 barrel carb and more aggressive cam will net you a meaner sound, not to mention actually making the car meaner.

you cant really get shit out of a lopo 5L. the exploder 5L with either 4bbl or EFI with a more meaty cam, would change it all. i dont regret doing my engine swap. the car sounds mean and people dont expect that badass sound to be commin from a 2door marquis lol

[1980c10]

A H.O. Sounds completly different than a lopo anyway, in a good way. They sound alot meaner than the lopo, but it is a different firing order, bigger cam, different heads, intake, and pistons lol.

[86VickyLX]

A H.O. Sounds completly different than a lopo anyway, in a good way.
I have to disagree with you there. I heard no difference between what my Explorer engine sounded like compared to my lopo I pulled from it. Save for the lovely knock the lopo had when it was cold...

If you want a cammy sound with a smooth cam, wire a toggle switch to ground the EGR vacuum regulator. That'll make it sound lopey. Just be sure to turn it off before you drive it or you're gonna look real dumb.

[johnunit]

I think it's a cam thing. My 351 sounds more like an ho than lopo or explorer. It also has similar duration and more lift than the ho.

[marquisman]

the HO and LOPO sound different. maybe not if you got stock exhaust.

[slymer]

lopo - Stock Y pipe with magnaflow muffs (sounds the same with H and duals, just a smidge louder)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44NwpAIFzZk#t=0m15s

93 HO no cats and unknown muffs (this is in my Mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I45dTLrlQZg

sounds different to me. The lopo doesn't have as much ... lump? pop? grunt?... whatever you call that lumpy idle stuff... as the HO. It's not a whole lot different, but it is different. And when you stomp it, it's rather different.

and just for grins and compares... 93 4.6L stock with magnaflow cats and muffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bMLUPdo4Lg

I actually like the sound of the 93 the best.

[79lincolnlover]

And even if that was done, the cars would be a fish on the road. Oh well.

Especially with old tires...

[Mercracer]

I'm the in the beginning research stages.
Hmm. That's the 460? So I guess the 429 PI version may be a bit lighter.

Maybe a 427 cammer. I'm looking for a specific sound, since 302's can be upgraded anyways.

There is negligible weight difference between any factory 429 (except for the Boss) and any factory 460. They use the exact same blocks and rods with a different stroke crank. There is little weight differences between the CJ, PI and garden variety heads. Same goes for intakes.
Unless you have $20K for a core engine, forget about a 427 SOHC.
The fact that you don't know this reflects that this is likely just bench racing and not a serious project anytime soon. Do yourself a favor and swap in an Explorer motor with a cam swap.

[mrltd]

Sploder motor with a cam, xpipe and edelbrock mufflers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAqagNybgHA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZ0uj5g6H0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QceqdSYFDwQ

[slymer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZ0uj5g6H0


"he wins"

umm... yeah. :lol: