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Originally posted by Mercracer View PostYou didn't simply take a stock Mustang 5.0, bolt GT40 heads and intake on it and run 12.1@111.Last edited by Mustang Eddie; 05-29-2011, 11:09 PM.
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[QUOTE=Mercracer;623646] Did you take the same exact (equivalent) engine and electronics, etc from the Mustang and put them in your Panther?
Actually it was the same exact engine.Moved on to a new engine in the Mustang & had the original sitting on the stand with 12k miles on it ready to go in the Merc when I bought it.
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Originally posted by Mercracer View PostMy reading comprehension sucked last night. 14.3s with a stock AOD, stock suspension and 4.10s. I saw a Factory Stock Mustang with E7 heads run mid 12s.Last edited by Mustang Eddie; 05-29-2011, 11:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Mustang Eddie View PostYou keep referencing NMRA F/S which started in 1999 or 2000 forgetting the EFI 5.0 Mustangs came out in 1986.If you look up 5.0 Mustang history Brian Wolfe went 11.60's with the GT-40 stuff in the late 80's.I went low 12's in 1992 & If you talk to the founders of the NMRA F/S was based around stuff I & a few other guys had already done in the late 80's early 90's.
A Fox Mustang came from the factory with a better tuned suspension than a Box CV/GM did. AOD Mustangs were up to a second slower than their 5-speed brothers when FS took off. I bring this up because you are comparing a modified Mustang to a less modified CV. I am comparing an unmodified Mustang with an unmodified CV and then bolting heads and intake, gears and exhaust on both.
I am loosing focus on what we are discussing here. That is what happens when working 12 hour night shifts on no sleep. I have drifted off topic.Last edited by Mercracer; 05-30-2011, 12:19 AM.
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Originally posted by Mustang Eddie View PostI thought the same thing until I actually did the HO swap in my Merc.I've come to find that even though the Merc is about 1000 lbs.heavier than my Mustang with the same parts in the Merc it ran over 2 seconds slower.Now my Mustang is a dedicated race car the Merc is still my DD so I know I've left a bit of performance on the table but not 1 second+.......The AOD is a power robbing SOB & any full size box has the aerodynamics of um...a box lol. Not saying it's undo able but a little harder than you think.You need to be realistic & know that it's not going to be your DD to reach this performance goal.
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Originally posted by Mercracer View PostI bring this up because you are comparing a modified Mustang to a less modified CV.Last edited by Mustang Eddie; 05-30-2011, 12:46 AM.
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Originally posted by Mercracer View PostI understand your point. A CV/GM is a pig and it takes more effort than 100 more HP to run the same times as a 1000# lighter Mustang. It makes sense. I would not be crushed if my box CV "only" ran low 14s with an Explorer heads & intake and a HO cam.
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I'm sure there is alot being left on the table in the 60 ft. Department when compairing a 5 speed 3000lb stang with slicks to a aod box with a stock convertor and street tires. What's the difference between the two it could add up at the big end.
I believe my car is in the 15.60's area, but I have only ran 1/8th it's a bone stock H.O. From throttle body to oil pan, never been opened. No smog, no a/c, electric fan, 70mm mass air, 3" hot air intake, 1 5/8 headers, 2 1/2 exhaust, 4.30 gears, and 12 degrees of timing, through an aod with a pretty bad 1-2 slip and a stock convertor. I'm positive there is
0.5-0.7 left in it with a fresh trans and a higher stall. So I would think high 13's would be very possible with an exploder motor with alot a fiddling and a bunch of passes to get it dialed in. IDK it sure would be alot of fun to try though lol. I think it would all come down to how low you could get the 60ft though.
'90 LX 5.0 mustang
Big plans
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was the converter in the merc stock panther chassis or stock mustang? there is supposedly a 200+RPM difference.
85 4 door 351 Civi Crown Victoria - Summer daily driver, sleeper in the making, and wildly inappropriate autocross machine
160KMs 600cfm holley, shorty headers, 2.5" catted exhaust, 255/295 tires, cop shocks, cop swaybars, underdrive pulley, 2.73L gears.
waiting for install: 3.27's, Poly bushings, boxed rear arms, 2500 stall converter, ported e7's, etc
06 Mazda 3 hatch 2.3L 5AT (winter beater that cost more than my summer car)
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Originally posted by 1980c10 View PostI'm sure there is alot being left on the table in the 60 ft. Department when compairing a 5 speed 3000lb stang with slicks to a aod box with a stock convertor and street tires. What's the difference between the two it could add up at the big end.
On the highway it still manages to knock down 21 mpg & has no problem dragging the Stang on the trailer around . Overall I'm happy with the end product but my expectations were a bit high.Last edited by Mustang Eddie; 05-30-2011, 01:10 AM.
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I am going to try and get my pile into the 13s this year. Not sure if it is realistic or not.
Fresher 304 (not sure how many miles; under 20K), P heads, Performer RPM Air Gap, 600 DP, Dirty Dog 3000, and 3.73s on 26" tires. Stock HO SD cam installed straight up (110 ICL), Cobra 1.7 RRs, FRPP headers, and Mustang/ Impala exhaust, and what I will refer to as Stage 1 weight reduction. A/C, smog, stereo, seat belts, and old wiring, etc removed, and the battery is in the trunk.
Its not up and running yet, because I am still working on a busted ass Chivvy. I should have some details worked out, and be able to run it sometime in July.
I am planning on running it on street radials. I will weigh the car as soon as I am done with it. I have future plans of lightening the bumpers, removing all the sound deadening, and a few other tricks.**2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: 5.0/ 6 spd/ 3.73s, 20K Cruiser
**2006 MGM,"Ultimate": 4.6/ 2.73/ Dark Tint, Magnaflows, 19s, 115K Daily Driver
**2012 Harley Davidson Wide Glide (FXDWG):103/ Cobra Speedsters/ Cosmetics, 9K Poseur HD Rider
**1976 Ford F-150 4WD: 360, 4 spd, 3.50s, factory A/C, 4" lift, Bilsteins, US Indy Mags, 35s Truck Duties
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