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    Default Windows not rolling up, but you can hear the gear turn?

    Well, after a chat with Gen. Phayzer, I forgot...

    You can get the entire gear assemblies, complete with bushings, at advance! They should have them in stock!

    http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductD...e=1327&ptset=A

    Also, you can get the bushings in the HELP! aisle.

    Just a little FYI, saves having to wait on that great ebay shipper!
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    I tore my passenger rear door apart, to replace what i thought was just a bushing problem, but it turns out my plastic gear that they fit into was cracked across it

    The one on ebay is just the plastic gear and bushings. A little cheaper but you'll have to wait.

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    Rebuilding the stock motors seems to work out better than some of those cheapie motors. We got a set for the SuperLinc, one was bad right out of the box and even after fixing the poor assembly problem it wouldn't run the window up reliably. I ended up pulling the transmission out of it and slapping it on the stock motor, now it works fine. The other front door has a new China motor, and in 3 weeks its gone from working OK to being slow and making a rather loud horrible noise when you operate the window. I'm gonna yank it apart and use the transmission in the old motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand_Marquis_GT
    saves having to wait on that great ebay shipper!
    Great post. Is it just me or do they strap packages to the backs of turtles half the time?

    Now more than ever am planning on complete rebuilds for my window motors, I want those windows to jump!


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    I put new bushings and good used brushes in my passenger motor - it was good for two years untill it got stuck down again last week.
    I ordered a rebiult one from fisher... and they are getting a core back with no bushings in it
    I think keeping them sealed up and water tight is important... the insides of my motor were all nasty looking.

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    I have the exact same problem. I had the motor out and it moved just fine, but under the weight of the window, it's another story. I can hear the gears turning. And you can move the window up and down by hand.

    So you can rebuild the motors? That's nice! Is it hard? How much does one of these kits cost? What internal parts do these kits have? Fill me in, I am also replacing a window motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86VickyLX
    I have the exact same problem. I had the motor out and it moved just fine, but under the weight of the window, it's another story. I can hear the gears turning. And you can move the window up and down by hand.

    So you can rebuild the motors? That's nice! Is it hard? How much does one of these kits cost? What internal parts do these kits have? Fill me in, I am also replacing a window motor.

    LOL, man did you read the posts? there is a link with the price right there!

    There is one screw and the parts drop in. It's easier than removing the motor.
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    I didn't see that, my mistake, I thought it was in a sig.

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    no problem. The parts are also very common on ebay. The torque pins are like 7 bucks IIRC, if you don't want to replace the whole plastic gear assembly.
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    I think I might as well, while I'm in there. See I think what this thread said is the exact thing I have problems with. The motor works without the weight of the window, but when it's in there, it just makes noise, and the gears turn. Is it gears? Or something else?

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    If you can hear the motor, it's the gears or torque pins in the gear drive. They are like big erasers that prevent you from decapitating people with the windows. They wear out and then the window won't go up.
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    Sadly it wont fit mine :-/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrltd
    If you can hear the motor, it's the gears or torque pins in the gear drive. They are like big erasers that prevent you from decapitating people with the windows. They wear out and then the window won't go up.
    Turns out it was the white plastic gear. The spacers that hold the metal gear up were completly destroyed just bits and pieces. So I got the plastic gear and metal gear replacement kit. Won't know if it's any good until monday.

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    Dear Panthers,
    I'm two time zones from home, in western north dakota dog trialing and the other day my driver's window wouldn't roll up. 4:30 on the Saturday of memorial day weekend, in a tiny dakota town. Well the window had to go up even if I had too leave it up. I have a tool kit but no ratchet so I raced to the hardware store for ratchet - and in case that failed, clear plastic and duct tape.

    I've had motors fail before and usually they go slow and noisily. This went without noise. When I threw the switch I heard a faint click, no better. Well I got most of the panel off, enough to get a hand in there but the window wouldnt't budge. Enough is enough. I took everything worth stealing into my motel room and figured Sunday I'd ask the trial host if he had a ranch shop so I could disassemble the whole door.

    On the way to the ranch I hit the button and it worked fine. Tried it a couple times, rolled up and down, silently, like a good window. Well, I'm a long way from home so I ordered a new motor from Pete Veitch and I'll leave the damn window up until I get home.

    But I'd appreciate your suggestions what the trouble might be.

    I hit a deer fifteen minutes after leaving home -3 am -three weeks ago and wrecked the front of the car. Radiators were okay and I had three headlights which are plenty going through West Virginia, so I kept on trucking. In Wisconsin I had a mechanic jury rig something so I had four headlights, more or less aimed. He told me I had a short somewhere in the front - kept arcing.

    Might that have something to do with it?

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    Dear Panthers,
    I'm two time zones from home, in western north dakota dog trialing and the other day my driver's window wouldn't roll up. 4:30 on the Saturday of memorial day weekend, in a tiny dakota town. Well the window had to go up even if I had too leave it up. I have a tool kit but no ratchet so I raced to the hardware store for ratchet - and in case that failed, clear plastic and duct tape.

    I've had motors fail before and usually they go slow and noisily. This went without noise. When I threw the switch I heard a faint click, no better. Well I got most of the panel off, enough to get a hand in there but the window wouldnt't budge. Enough is enough. I took everything worth stealing into my motel room and figured Sunday I'd ask the trial host if he had a ranch shop so I could disassemble the whole door.

    On the way to the ranch I hit the button and it worked fine. Tried it a couple times, rolled up and down, silently, like a good window. Well, I'm a long way from home so I ordered a new motor from Pete Veitch and I'll leave the damn window up until I get home.

    But I'd appreciate your suggestions what the trouble might be.

    I hit a deer fifteen minutes after leaving home -3 am -three weeks ago and wrecked the front of the car. Radiators were okay and I had three headlights which are plenty going through West Virginia, so I kept on trucking. In Wisconsin I had a mechanic jury rig something so I had four headlights, more or less aimed. He told me I had a short somewhere in the front - kept arcing.

    Might that have something to do with it?

    Donald McCaig

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    What year is your car? GM or CV? I have couple good 88-91 header panels with all the goodies still in them and a complete GM front end. Ive got a spare 88-91 front bumper, and a 79-87 hood too. If you happen come through central KY on your way home maybe we can work something out.

    As for the drivers window not working. sounds like the motor or else just the brushes are going out, unless none of the other windows would work either.

    Also a possibility isa band window switch but I have yet to run into one on a box. Best bet? Swap out the motor.
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    Dear Panther,
    Thanks for the offer but I've already got what I need from Pete Veitch - even correct paint. Yeah, I'll swap out the motor but, damn it, when motors go they whine and grind and will lift the window with an assist. I've never had one quit with no more sound than a switch click and then resume working perfectly again. I don't/can't trust it so will replace it but traveling long hauls with four dogs in the wayback, I wonder if there isn't something else I ought to fix. Don't want it happening again. The first leg out here was thirteen hours. The last leg going home will be 14. No fun with the window down.

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    How cold was it? I could imagine it being possible that the motor or window assembly froze.

    As for my problem... my front windows will roll up and down, but only a few inches, then they jam... almost like gears that aren't quite lined up properly... but once the big window is up I can hear a pop and the quarter window shoots up like nothing else.
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    When the motor fails you won't hear diddly squat since nothing is even trying to move.

    Btw, you are quite welcome.

    Freshmeat. I don't know what your problem is, but you might look at the window guides to make sure they are ok. Then roll the window up and lubricate the tracks inside the door with a heavy dose of silicon lube.
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    G / H / 2.26
    B / C / 2.47
    8 / M / 2.73
    7 / - / 3.07
    Y / Z / 3.08
    4 / D / 3.42
    F / R / 3.45
    5 / E / 3.27
    6 / W / 3.73
    2 / K / 3.55
    A / - / 3.63
    J / - / 3.85

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