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    Mine doesn't really drone now that it has the X pipe.
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    I really just think its Fox H pipes that have suckage issues.

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    I read once that the factory mufflers on the fox mustangs were slightly different lengths in an attempt to deal with the drone.

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    They were. The Mark VII also had different diameter tailpipes. Stock exhaust on those is perfectly silent. It can be done, but it needs some trickery to pull it off.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    Huh.. I never knew that but yeah, I don't remember my dad's VII being loud or droney at all. Only time you heard that engine was at WOT, sounded pretty good then. I mashed that thing often as a 17-19 year old kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    I mashed that thing often as a 17-19 year old kid.
    I think most of us do at that age

    The overall volume needs to come down, I ordered a couple 14" resonators I'm going to install on the tailpipes, it seems to be the loudest after the mufflers, and I've read people having good luck toning down the volume and harmonics with these. We'll see, they weren't crazy expensive and wont take long to install. Im considering putting just one on and see what happens too, before i do the other one, for kicks.

    In other news...if you're riding around on your original calipers...I strongly recommend getting new/remanned or rebuilding yours. I got all new rubber parts and pistons on closeout. I got the pistons "just in case". What I found when i popped the old ones out was scary. If i had know they were THIS bad I wouldn't have even driven the car. There did seem to be a little more drag on the front wheels when spinning them then there should have been. Check out the pix

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    There was a TON of crude in the piston bore, the piston as you can see was pitted and corroded badly, and the square cut O-ring was extremely distorted. I have no idea how I didn't have sticky calipers.
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    Haha yeah, I certainly did. Drove my Grand Am for a week before I realized "I could floor it and it would go fast..." Well, go fast was wrong but I still floored it. Best that turd did was 103 IIRC, much to the dismay of my girlfriend at the time.

    Wow yeah, those are nasty.. Bet she'll do a bit better on gas now too.
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    And that is why I put new calipers on the Continental right after I bought it. Probably could have rebuilt them but I got replacements for like 15 each on closeout so I didn't feel the need to bother with it. Not sure if they were original but I knew the car had sat for ~10 years and I wasn't interested in risking it. The rubber lines were downright scary on that thing anyway.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    A few updates:

    I took her on a 4500 mile road trip in August. She performed flawlessly, no trouble whatsoever other than a broken exhaust hanger during the last 50 miles of the trip. The cruise control and quieter exhaust made the trip quite pleasant.

    Now for the mechanical updates!

    I have an EGR compatible edelbrock 4 barrel intake, along with the EGR plate. I want to retain EGR for emissions and gas mileage reasons, it's not easy to find these intakes used but I got a heck of a deal on it. The stock EGR system simply requires a ported vacuum signal, and not its own EGR port like previous systems, so it'll be easy to make it work with any carb.

    I also FINALLY found a carb that had everything I want. It's relatively new (came out about a year ago). Edelbrock AVS2 #1906. This carb feature annular booster in the primaries, just like ford had in the the late 70s/80's. This improves atomization, throttle response, and a host of other things. In addition this is a spread bore carb that uses square bore bolt pattern. The quadrajet used this and was known (when running and tuned properly) for its good gas mileage and throttle response. The carb is 650CFM, but the secondaries have an adjustable spring loaded plate that will only give them as much air as it is asking for. I bought this carb new on a black friday sale, my first new carb ever. I'm pretty excited for it.

    Now the tricky part. I'm a little crazy, and want to retain the TV rod. Nothing available is compatible with this setup...however I can make it compatible. I already separated the TV rod linkage from my old VV carb, I'm going to make an adapter plate that will hold this linkage and bolt it onto the carb. I'll be sure to post pictures of the process later. This will ensure the correct, factory geometry, and adjustability.

    My old 2150 carb will be for sale. It's modified to work with the TV rod, the biggest you can get, and a perfect bolt on to replace a VV carb in these cars. I'm hoping someone will be interested in this as they are hard to find.

    Sorry It's not letting me upload pictures, I will as soon as I can
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    Vac secondaries are a good thing. Variable flow based on engine demands and abilities just makes good sense. Most things do not need a mechanical secondary, thats for motors that go 1/4 mile at a time.

    The only other thing I'd really consider besides the factory rod is the factory cable. If you can adapt either an EFI cable or find the hen's teeth 90-91 351 tv cable setup that would be cool. The rod just works. I've dealt with those Lokars before and have only been impressed with just how crappy they are.

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    Yeah I really like the rod configuration. It's so simple, and like you said, it works. It's technically a mechanical secondary, with a vacuum actuated plate. So i guess you could say it's a hybrid?
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    All vac secondaries are like that. The throttle plate is opened mechanically, but the air doors open only when there is enough demand to pull them open. Fuel is added when the air door opens. Purely mechanical secondaries don't have the air door, they open whenever the throttle is opened far enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    Vac secondaries are a good thing. Variable flow based on engine demands and abilities just makes good sense. Most things do not need a mechanical secondary, thats for motors that go 1/4 mile at a time...
    This.

    So often I see junk listed for sale with some absurd CFM double-pumper (why does that sound so dirty?) slapped on top of stock, moldy engine. As if flushing a toilet equates to more horsepower. Ya got it all wrong, Cletus...
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    I used Edelbrock 3783 and 8053 (intake/ EGR spacer) on my '90 P72. The cast iron EGR spacer for an '85 GT is a better option, and I do have one somewhere. It will withstand the heat better.

    The Edelbrock 1406 served me well, but it was a compromise of drivability, and performance. I fiddled with it religiously and either got decent mileage, or it ran and performed great. Hopefully the AVS2 performs better.

    I never met a double pumper I didn't like. I can't speak for fuel economy, but from a performance perspective I have never had an out of the box or "tuned" VS carb provide the SOTP feel that a MS carb does.

    Additionally, cfm ratings are just a flow rate measured at a a certain negative pressure, and should never be the sole deciding factor in carburetor choice. A NA engine will only take as much air as it needs. I think you chose the correct size for a 351 at your VE level, and it will leave you some room to grow.

    Regarding retaining the rod, have you considered a Silverfox VB that doesn't require precise TV adjustment? I had one in my '87 coupe and it was marvelous, despite the Lokar nonsense.
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    Interesting, I'm new to the 4BBL world, I assumed there was a vacuum diaphragm that would pull open the secondary throttle blades at a certain point, sort of like how the VV actuated its upper sliders. That's good to know

    I have a cast iron EGR spacer from a truck that came with it, however someone welded repairs onto the machine surface and it appeared to be leaking exhaust gases into the secondaries. Nathan, if you're able to find your EGR plate would you want to sell it? Looks like i'll need to find another anyway.

    As far as the valve body-That's probably more of a money thing than anything else. Currently the bracket is going well, however I've realized with the current design I cannot keep the cruise control attachment. I just have to work out another design if I want to keep it.
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    +1975 Maverick- Fuel injected 302, Trickflow 170 heads, XE270 cam, explorer intakes, 24# injectors, custom tune. T5 transmission, 3.55 Yukon Trac-Lok rear.
    +1989 Mercury Colony Park "Large Marge" Lopo 302. 3.55L K-Code Tow package, Baumann Shift Kit, Big brake swap, rear discs, HO intake/TB, custom exhaust.

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    Whats the issue with the cruise, attaching the cable to the carb or mounting the cable to the intake? I don't remember if I saw what that setup actually looks like.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    Phil, I will look for the one I had, but no promises. Its been over 10 years since I last saw it.

    Found this one below:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-EGR-Pl...L~~S:rk:1:pf:0

    And Edelbrock 8053 is always an option, albeit a little expensive.
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