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    Went out at 6am and took advantage of the cool weather and shade before the sun came peaking over the garage onto the car.

    Clayed the paint and windows. Treated the vinyl top and polished/waxed the paint.



    Needed to touch up a couple spots on the paint so I did that to. Also dabbed in black into all the rock chips on the front grille.









    After that was done my dad and I tried to get the ac system up and functioning again. It worked fine last year after a recharge of r12 but no longer this year. We vacuumed out the system and tried to charge it up. Compressor engages and it did suck in r12 but not much happens after that. Ac is just cool not COLD. It just is not what it once was.

    Full retrofit coming for this car. Just have to figure out what that consists of. I do know I want new of everything BUT the evaporator…That I aint changing….I want new receiver drier accumulator things, condenser, compressor orifice tube is a must as well as hoses. This is going to be difficult to source I am sure.

    Then my dad and I cruised around town a bit…Showed him the line lock.


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    I take it your full retrofit will be swapping to R134a? Only thing I know of that might need a little adjustment is the low pressure cycling switch. R134a seems to be a bit happier cutting out around 20 PSI. Seems factory R12 cut out around 25. It’s got an adjustable screw inside, so getting it dialed in isn’t hard.

    I’ve been happy with my converted system Nick did. Works well, even in the southern heat. Only thing that I’d say would help these cars would be adding an electric fan similar to the Aeros for low speed A/C efficiency, assuming a mechanical fan is still fitted. If full electric fans are fitted, I’m sure that’s not so much an issue.

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    Yes converting to r134a.

    I can find everything through rock auto BUT the condenser.....what do to? The condenser is okay and the compressor has not grenaded itself so I know there is not shit everywhere. I will flush it with ac flush..... And the price for all the stuff I chose comes out to under 400 before shipping. New lines, compressor, accumulator, orifice tube and the works.
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    I was rushed...dinner was calling...

    compressor has always leaked oil. Never from the front but from underneath. And new this year, maybe last, was sweating around the accumulator/receiver drier fittings. Other than that everything else appears to be okay.

    I heard that the lines to the manifold on the compressor can seize up over time. I will try to find a back up one in case mine do not give up easily. It seems most compressors do not come with a new manifold.
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    I had a new compressor put in to replace the one which blew up in my '88. Drier/accumulator too. Ashley's '89 still sported it's original R12. There was no noticeable difference between the performance of the two. If anything, I'd say my car was colder with that ceramic tint. You do not need to go about replacing the condenser if yours is in good shape. Mine was also converted about 4 years ago and I haven't had to touch it since.
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    Excellent to hear Derek.
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    Order placed.

    Part Number Part Type Price EA Core EA Quantity Total
    No Vehicle Specified
    FOUR SEASONS 69991 A/C System Flush $ 22.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 22.79
    FOUR SEASONS 59172 A/C System Flush Gun $ 99.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 99.79
    1987 FORD LTD CROWN VICTORIA 5.0L 302cid V8
    FOUR SEASONS 55644 A/C Refrigerant Hose $ 17.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 17.79
    FOUR SEASONS 55673 A/C Refrigerant Hose $ 41.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 41.79
    FOUR SEASONS 55747 A/C Refrigerant Hose $ 53.79 $ 0.00 1 $ 53.79
    FOUR SEASONS 26777 A/C System Valve Core and Cap Kit $ 7.96 $ 0.00 1 $ 7.96
    FOUR SEASONS 26715 A/C System O-Rings, Seals, & Gasket Kits $ 9.38 $ 0.00 1 $ 9.38
    FOUR SEASONS TSN0264 A/C Compressor & Component Kit $ 212.79 - 1 $ 212.79
    FOUR SEASONS 33168 [Kit Component] A/C Receiver Drier / Accumulator $ 18.68 $ 0.00 1 -
    FOUR SEASONS 38621 [Kit Component] A/C Orifice Tube $ 0.69 $ 0.00 1 -
    FOUR SEASONS 58111 [Kit Component] A/C Compressor $ 193.42 $ 0.00 1 -
    GPD 8011276 A/C Refrigerant Oil $ 5.80 $ 0.00 3 $ 17.40



    lets see how much arrives damaged, incorrect part, or just ordered wrong part to begin with. lol Some stuff I got just for the hell of it. I am young yet. Good things to have Already have manifold gauge set.
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    If the pressures are reasonable, it will get cold unless there is a blanket of fuzz on the evaporator. I'd be looking to clean that before buying new parts.

    If you're changing the condensor, get the new multiflow style. Check with John what he used on his. They're more efficient and will work better with 134a.

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    I have r134 gauge set. Didnt bother or want to try an adapt it fully to the r12 system. Dad also did not want to contaminate the gauges...if thats even possible.

    How can I examine if there is a blanket of fuzz on the evaporator? Where is it visible from? I did fire off the parts cannon but like you said if the evaporator was my issue due to fuzz covering it I will still have an issue. Though some components may still function the system looks like hell under the hood. It was due for replacement so I will not feel bad about that.

    At the moment I am not looking to replace the condenser. I will speak with John about it though. I could not locate any through rock auto and figured maybe they no longer exist for this car.
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    So they show this unit here: https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...197075&jsn=380

    For whatever reason it only says it fits 1986 LTD Crown Victoria, but covers the wagons, GMQ ('86-'91), and LTC ('86-'90). Don't know why it doesn't list LTD CV properly, but should fit fine otherwise.

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    Would you look at that. Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    How can I examine if there is a blanket of fuzz on the evaporator? Where is it visible from?
    Pull the fan out, you can see part of the evaporator through that opening. Only way to really get more access is to remove the thing unfortunately.

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    Evaporator is not really difficult to do. 2 bolts on the bottom of the case under the hood. 1 or 2 on the top and the whole assembly comes out. You should remove or peel back the inner fender liner. It would also be the ideal time to replace the blower motor resistor. I've done quite a few of the Evaporator cores on these cars. The later ones are slightly easier because they added a retaining bolt from the inside of the car. Other than that the process to remove the EVAP case is identical from 1979 to 2011. The 2011 case even lines up with every bolt hole on the firewall of a 80s model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    Pull the fan out, you can see part of the evaporator through that opening. Only way to really get more access is to remove the thing unfortunately.
    Got it.

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    Evaporator is not really difficult to do. 2 bolts on the bottom of the case under the hood. 1 or 2 on the top and the whole assembly comes out. You should remove or peel back the inner fender liner. It would also be the ideal time to replace the blower motor resistor. I've done quite a few of the Evaporator cores on these cars. The later ones are slightly easier because they added a retaining bolt from the inside of the car. Other than that the process to remove the EVAP case is identical from 1979 to 2011. The 2011 case even lines up with every bolt hole on the firewall of a 80s model.

    Thanks John.




    I also picked up a condenser. Says it is for 134a. Cannot be all that bad. I didnt speak to John beforehand. Hope I dont regret it. lol
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    Went down to Johns place this past Saturday to exchange some parts and to have him tune/look over my car a bit. While down in Jersey, John and I met up with Phil. Seen his LTD-S the wagon and his Maverick that will be getting painted shortly. Phil then came along for a ride in the Brown Blob while John was working his magic on the car. Some highlights from the visit below.








    While with John I went for a ride in his Vicky. That car is FUN and wild. Thanks again for your time. Appreciate everything. I had a good day.
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    You're starting to sound more New York.

    Sorry I couldn't catch up with you guys, was out at Carlisle. Two box Vics there, one 89 and one 86 four door. No box GMs, and I think there were 3 box Towncars, one of them a limo. You really should bring this sometime, its not exactly a show rich with Panther cars. Better than half of what was there total were Marauders, and I think that was like 20 ?

    I think my injectors run more duty cycle. What size are you running?

    and is it better now?
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    24 pounders. Single hole ford pieces.

    Nothing was actually wrong aside from what my afr gauge was reading. Turns out something with my afr gauge is on the fritz as it did not put forth similar readings to Johns inovate afr gauge. Main concern was to see if the car is okay. It is though the tune that was on it wasn’t optimal. It had wrong injector data and I think John tweaked with the maf curve as well as a bunch of other things I know nothing about.
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