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    #16
    Originally posted by jayh View Post
    you can run a flat tappet in a roller block, no problem there
    I was unaware of that.....so would it be worth it to pass up on the PI block in favor for an F Series?
    Parts Car (Scrapped ) - Vicky - 1987 LTD Crown Victoria: 17x8 Gunmetal Gray Coys C-5 wheels, 235/55-17 Falken Ziex ZE-502 tires. 79 LTD Grille, Taillights, and Turn Signals, Blue LED Dash Lights, PI Rear Sway Bar, 140 MPH Speedometer, Dual Exhaust w/ Mustang Headers.
    New Project: Vicky II - 1981 Ford LTD: 61,XXX miles, virtually rust free. Currently For Sale

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      #17
      there is a lightning intake on corral for $400 or BO, but expect 302 performance

      the pro products is cheap, its an edelbrock rip off

      Im not sure but I think the 90's 351's are 9:1

      carb'd isnt a bad idea either

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        #18
        Never bother with Professional Products pieces. Weak metal and terrible castings.

        Who has test fitted a TFS intake on a 351 in a box to show clearance issues.
        2011 Mustang GT Premium, MT82, Kona/Saddle, HIDs, 3.73s, 19s, hood/side stripes, UPR 1.5" springs with adjustable panhard bar, and UMI solid LCAs and relocation brackets.
        1992 Explorer Eddie Bauer, slight lift, 34s, and A/C...
        1979 Bronco Custom, 351M/C6/NP205, 4" lift, 35s, lots of fender trimming.

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          #19
          Originally posted by hemihotrod402 View Post
          My main concern about keeping EFI is cost. Also hood clearance issues. I believe I am correct in saying that the TFS manifold will not fit under the stock hood, and the Lightning intake is a little pricey, and I'm not too thrilled about a super victor plus an elbow either unless there is some serious power backing it up. Plus than you have to think about healthier fuel injectors, a tune, and other electronic crap, when I can get the same amount of power out of a carbed motor.
          Yup. Less wires equals win.
          1984 CV tudor 351W, 4bbl, 5-speed best time in the 1/8 8.39 at 80 with 1.80 60ft time.
          2006 P71, 1988 Bronco II, 1986 Baby LTD(5.0 & T5 swap in progress), 1976 16' Hobie Cat, 12' AquaFinn
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            #20
            Originally posted by Freshmeat View Post
            Never bother with Professional Products pieces. Weak metal and terrible castings.

            Who has test fitted a TFS intake on a 351 in a box to show clearance issues.
            I agree, but I would run a ported pro products over the gt40 stuff any day of the week

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              #21
              Originally posted by Pesty351 View Post
              Yup. Less wires equals win.
              Agree, its just simpler overall compared to injection. And in my opinion it looks cleaner and tougher, thats why I am so bent on converting my 87 to a carb when I build it.
              -2004 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - Daily Driver - 17" Bullitt's, 235/55/17 Goodyear Eagles, Ex-NH State Police, best 1/4 mile time; 15.3 @ 90 mph
              -1987 Crown Victoria 2-Door - Project - 90k miles, Summit chambered muffler, Sunpro gauges, parked since 2010, fate tbd

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                #22
                The P72 351 is a boat anchor.

                Get an F4 block, put an HO cam in it, and put a decent set of heads on it. Performer RPM or Stealth intake, and a carb that you will be able to tune. The Edelcrocks are EASY...

                I'd put a kit (or better yet a vb) and converter in the AOD, 3.73s in the rear and drive it.
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                **2006 MGM,"Ultimate": 4.6/ 2.73/ Dark Tint, Magnaflows, 19s, 115K Daily Driver
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by hemihotrod402 View Post
                  I was unaware of that.....so would it be worth it to pass up on the PI block in favor for an F Series?
                  Yes. Modern oils lack the zinc additives required for long life out of a flat tappet cam. Roller cams don't have that problem. You also get better ramp rates and less overall friction with a roller setup. You could use those roller conversion lifters, but the linkbar style costs a f'n fortune, vastly more than you'd spend on a later model block and unless you're making a hell of a lot of power, you really don't need them.

                  Originally posted by Pesty351 View Post
                  Yup. Less wires equals win.
                  Only if you actually know how to tune the calibrated vacuum leak and get the timing curve right.
                  86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                  5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

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                  Originally posted by phayzer5
                  I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                    #24
                    ok, another question.

                    Everyone seems to be agreeing on one thing....go for a roller motor.
                    Would I be good with a 94+ block and this:
                    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-2090/

                    Its 700 dollars more than the flat tappet setup, but it makes an extra 50 hp and 20 ft/lbs of torque. And it comes with a roller cam. And from what everyone is saying...I think it might be worth it. I just need some opinions.

                    EDIT: Also at this point, with the rebuild kit, the top end kit, the motor itself, and a carb, I'm still about 1500 dollars less than the EFI build plan I originally had, but with almost 100 extra hp.
                    Last edited by hemihotrod402; 05-21-2010, 09:55 PM.
                    Parts Car (Scrapped ) - Vicky - 1987 LTD Crown Victoria: 17x8 Gunmetal Gray Coys C-5 wheels, 235/55-17 Falken Ziex ZE-502 tires. 79 LTD Grille, Taillights, and Turn Signals, Blue LED Dash Lights, PI Rear Sway Bar, 140 MPH Speedometer, Dual Exhaust w/ Mustang Headers.
                    New Project: Vicky II - 1981 Ford LTD: 61,XXX miles, virtually rust free. Currently For Sale

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                      #25
                      For what its worth, I'm leaning back toward the EFI 306, because of driveability and starting. Unless someone can really talk me out of it.....
                      Parts Car (Scrapped ) - Vicky - 1987 LTD Crown Victoria: 17x8 Gunmetal Gray Coys C-5 wheels, 235/55-17 Falken Ziex ZE-502 tires. 79 LTD Grille, Taillights, and Turn Signals, Blue LED Dash Lights, PI Rear Sway Bar, 140 MPH Speedometer, Dual Exhaust w/ Mustang Headers.
                      New Project: Vicky II - 1981 Ford LTD: 61,XXX miles, virtually rust free. Currently For Sale

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Freshmeat View Post
                        Never bother with Professional Products pieces. Weak metal and terrible castings.
                        I've got a PP dual plane on the Lincoln, no problems with it.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by hemihotrod402 View Post
                          For what its worth, I'm leaning back toward the EFI 306, because of driveability and starting. Unless someone can really talk me out of it.....
                          you know what? forget it, that was me not thinking. After playing around with my Dad's AMX, it actually starts better than Vicky does lol. Just cold starting might be a bitch.

                          1 more question, is 94 351 out of a van the same thing as one out of an F series?
                          Parts Car (Scrapped ) - Vicky - 1987 LTD Crown Victoria: 17x8 Gunmetal Gray Coys C-5 wheels, 235/55-17 Falken Ziex ZE-502 tires. 79 LTD Grille, Taillights, and Turn Signals, Blue LED Dash Lights, PI Rear Sway Bar, 140 MPH Speedometer, Dual Exhaust w/ Mustang Headers.
                          New Project: Vicky II - 1981 Ford LTD: 61,XXX miles, virtually rust free. Currently For Sale

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by hemihotrod402 View Post
                            For what its worth, I'm leaning back toward the EFI 306, because of driveability and starting. Unless someone can really talk me out of it.....
                            If its tuned correctly it will start first crank every time. I never have an issue with mine and I don't even have the choke hooked up.
                            1984 CV tudor 351W, 4bbl, 5-speed best time in the 1/8 8.39 at 80 with 1.80 60ft time.
                            2006 P71, 1988 Bronco II, 1986 Baby LTD(5.0 & T5 swap in progress), 1976 16' Hobie Cat, 12' AquaFinn
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by hemihotrod402 View Post

                              1 more question, is 94 351 out of a van the same thing as one out of an F series?
                              yes

                              Originally posted by Pesty351 View Post
                              If its tuned correctly it will start first crank every time. I never have an issue with mine and I don't even have the choke hooked up.
                              Im guessing it gets colder in ohio than it does in florida
                              Last edited by 87gtVIC; 05-24-2010, 06:36 AM. Reason: merge

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                                #30
                                Its drops down in the teens here quite regularly in jan-feb.
                                1984 CV tudor 351W, 4bbl, 5-speed best time in the 1/8 8.39 at 80 with 1.80 60ft time.
                                2006 P71, 1988 Bronco II, 1986 Baby LTD(5.0 & T5 swap in progress), 1976 16' Hobie Cat, 12' AquaFinn
                                http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2651997 UPDATED 20100826
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