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    'Ready' for echeck.

    Got the new 02 sensors in my 03 and headed up to echeck completely forgetting about the 8!! modules in it that need to be 'ready' for echeck.

    Usually I would just drive it a while and take it back but need it done by Saturday.

    The guy at echeck sent me here:

    http://www.obdii.com/drivecycleford.html

    Said follow the instructions - do it twice - and it'll be ready.

    Screw that!

    Pete
    Originally posted by gadget73
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    2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
    1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
    1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

    #2
    it won't just sort itself after some driving around? Thats moronic.
    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
    5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

    Originally posted by phayzer5
    I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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      #3
      bah... normal commute driving over 2 days will also set everything.

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
      rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)
      Originally posted by gadget73
      ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
      Originally posted by dmccaig
      Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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        #4
        Got 130 'normal' miles on it and am going up to the self check tonite, see what happens. At least it's free now.

        Pete
        Originally posted by gadget73
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        2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
        1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
        1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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          #5
          Oh that is good. There are sometimes good sales on basic code readers if you take your time.
          03 Marauder DPB, HS, 6disk, Organizer Mods> LED's in & Out, M&Z rear control arms, Oil deflector, U-Haul Trans Pan, Blue Fuzzy Dice
          02 SL500 Silver Arrow
          08 TC Signature Limited, HID's Mods>235/55-17 Z rated BFG G-Force Comp-2 A/S Plus, Addco 1" rear Sway, Posi Carrier, Compustar Remote Start, floor liners, trunk organizer, Two part Sun Visors, B&M Trans drain Plug, Winter=05 Mustang GT rims, Nokian Hakkapeliitta R-2 235/55-17
          12 Escape Limited V6 AWD, 225/65R17 Vredestein Quatrac Pro, Winter 235/70-16 Conti Viking Contact7 Mods>Beamtech LED headlight bulbs, Husky floor liners

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            #6
            Move down here where there is no echeck.
            ,
            Slicktop '91 GS HO 4.30 rear. '82 Mark VI Tudor HO, '90 F-150 XLT, '62 project Heep, '89 Arizona Waggin' and '88 donor in PA, getting combined.

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              #7
              But that's the sticks!

              Took it illegally to the license bureau Sat (tags expired Friday), of course their computers were down statewide, and the last time I took an illegal car to echeck they about had a heart attack (though they did test it!), so got new temp tags today and if I can get there in time, 6, I'll have it tested.

              Check engine light is back on but that's probably the stupid KAM again. It won't make it fail, they'll put it on the treadmill and sniff the exhaust.

              Pete
              Originally posted by gadget73
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              2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
              1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
              1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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                #8
                Well it wasn't the stupid KAM. Still P0161 and P0141. Checked for power, there's key on/engine off power to both. Dangnab it. Even if it was both I could've ran a temp power line just to pass echeck (my final set of temp tags runs out 8-5).

                So, wiring or PCM. I found this at TCCoA:

                "...you should be measuring between pins 71 or 97 (the red power circuit) and pins 93 (#1 heater return) and 94 (#2 heater return. If you have continuity between 93/94 and 71/97 with the sensor unplugged, you most definitely have a short in the harness. If that's the case, disconnected the bulkhead connector for the engine bay harness and test again. If continuity remains, the short is in the computer harness (not fun!). "

                I added the PCM pinout below for future reference. If there's no continuity it might be the PCM itself.

                So my descent into unwanted electrical troubleshooting experience continues.

                Pete

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                Originally posted by gadget73
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                2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
                1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
                1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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                  #9
                  Bah. I hate chasing wiring.

                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                  rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)
                  Originally posted by gadget73
                  ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
                  Originally posted by dmccaig
                  Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                    #10
                    No kidding. Rather get greasy - I understand a stubborn bolt.

                    If it looks like a shorted wire heck on pulling the thousand wire harness apart, I'll splice new lines in and zip tie them to the harness.

                    Pete
                    Originally posted by gadget73
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                    2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
                    1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
                    1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by sly View Post
                      Bah. I hate chasing wiring.
                      Oh yes.
                      Me too.


                      -ryan s.
                      08 Lincoln Navigator L - 233k
                      03 Mercury Marauder- 63k
                      97 Ford Crown Victoria HPP "Tank of Justice III" (TOJ3) - 194k -->578.9 miles on ONE tank of gas<--
                      94 BMW 325i Convertible - 135k
                      73 VW Super Beetle "Bunky" <----- Wifey's
                      12 Mini Cooper S - 90k <---- Wifey's
                      Originally posted by pantera77
                      Well my buddy tells him he knows exactly who loves buying shitboxes.

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                        #12
                        adding wiring... not that bad... chasing issues... BAH!

                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                        rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)
                        Originally posted by gadget73
                        ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
                        Originally posted by dmccaig
                        Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                          #13
                          Alright if someone who knows a faint glimmer of what they're doing (or anyone with an opinion ) can give me an eyeball for a moment and take a look at the pinout above on post 8:

                          I disconnected the lower 02 sensors and checked for continuity from pin 71 to pin 93 and then pin 71 to pin 94 - no continuity. When I plugged them back in they did have continuity. So the wires aren't shorted? And those are the correct pins? The 02 sensors have 4 wires.

                          And the big assumption - therefore the PCM is bad? I know it happens...

                          Pete
                          Originally posted by gadget73
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                          2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
                          1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
                          1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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                            #14
                            71 is power from the ECC relay. so you should read shorted from the heater lines with the O2s connected. 93-96 are the ground side control for turning the heaters on. They should be connected to the pin 71 wire and very low resistance (probably on the order of less than 100 ohm) and may "ring" with a continuity tester. Read it with the ohm setting and see if you're just reading the value of the heater element. If you get below 1 ohm with the o2s connected, then there's a short in the heater circuit of the o2 you're testing. I'm assuming you're testing this with the ECM disconnected. I'd test the new o2s and make sure they are actually good.

                            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                            rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)
                            Originally posted by gadget73
                            ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
                            Originally posted by dmccaig
                            Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                              #15
                              Yes I did check the wiring through the disconnected 'puter plug with a continuity tester (two cheap test lights and a lantern battery ). However when I tested the wires at the sensor plug for power KOEO with just a simple test light it was all connected, I've been told that's bad?

                              I really need an auto electrical course at the local community college, maybe some youtube vids! I'm not very familiar with using a multimeter.

                              Pete
                              Originally posted by gadget73
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                              2003 Grand Marquis Ultimate, the "Stealth Bomber": http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...-Grand-Marquis
                              1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
                              1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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