Lightest most flimsy front sway bar??

[merc91]

Car is making some power and really needs a diet so I need to loosen/lighten up my front end for more traction but it's still DD. Going to get rid of my addco big solid front/rear bars and get the lightest/flimsiest front bar I can for my 91 box as it's scary without any front bar when ya letter rip lol... Though it has pulled the front tires on the street with no bar + 90/10's

Just lookin to see what cars take the cake in that dept, I assume it's stock civi boxes but for some reason I may remember there was even 1 step weaker... thanks guys

[His Royal Ghostliness]

Have you considered station wagon sway bars? 1-3/16" diameter but hollow inside, supposedly comparable in stiffness to the 1" solid police front bar but at a fraction of the weight. Meaning you can shed some weight like you want to, and still retain cornering behavior similar to what you're already used to.

[merc91]

That has crossed my mind but unhooking the swaybar links does help the front do it's thing helping launch quite a bit so I was thinking something flimsy but I also DD the car with a shitpile of daredevil deer ripping around that I will have more close encounters with too.
I'll have to think about that. Is the stock Civi box front bars the weakest? odd question I know to be looking for flimsy.

I don't run a bar in the back with the way the 4 link is setup now so maybe I should do the wagon type thing.

[Lincolnmania]

i do believe the smallest front diameter bar is 7/8".........it is a solid bar tho. i have that bar on the lss and i like it......i had a cvpi bar on it yrs back, didn't care for it on the lss

[merc91]

The man with the knowledge lol. So I'm pretty well looking for the stock box civillian bar then I think as the smallest diameter hollow bar?
It's what 1" and hollow? It's been so long

[johnunit]

I may have a rusty old stock civi swaybar hoarded. You can have it for free if I can find it.

[sly]

The only hollow stock bar is the wagon bar AFAIK.

[merc91]

Thanks johnunit, where are you at again?

Really damn that's the only hollow hey, well I have mint front and rear addco bars to trade+a bit if cash if anyone has a wagon bar they want to bump up a notch.

[His Royal Ghostliness]

That has crossed my mind but unhooking the swaybar links does help the front do it's thing helping launch quite a bit so I was thinking something flimsy

The torsional stiffness of the bar (based on diameter mostly) only comes onto play when you're trying to twist one of its "wings" with respect to the other, as in when experiencing body roll while cornering or changing lanes. In situations where the entire front end is going up or down (hard launches or heavy braking) it matters not whether you have a baby 3/4" bar or a 2" solid monster from like the rear of a powerline company's bucket truck, the entire bar will always just rotate in its bushings that attach it to the frame. Disconnecting the links helps you launch because it eliminates the bind in the endlink bushings, but that bind is always there and always the same regardless of swaybar size - it's based purely on the design of the end links, their bushings want to sit in one position only and any deviation from it is met with resistance (literally). If you wanna lose the need to mess with the endlinks look into retrofitting the newer style ones with the two mini ball joints in them, unlike the squished bushing design that only wants to sit in once spot (and fights you when you're launching) the ball joints are free to rotate as they please and don't have a "self-centering" position, thus they offer no resistance against launching or brake dive.

[gadget73]

I believe there are pinnable end-links for Heeps. Maybe one of those would be compatible. Failing that it wouldn't be all that hard to have a set made.

[killgore]

If you're looking to sell the bars, let me know. I might have a use for them.

[His Royal Ghostliness]

I believe there are pinnable end-links for Heeps. Maybe one of those would be compatible. Failing that it wouldn't be all that hard to have a set made.

Quick-disconnects, yes they are readily available. But again he doesn't need them - the Heeps want the swaybar disabled to allow one wheel to go up while the other is going down without nothing fighting them, in his case both wheels go up and down together so the swaybar isn't fighting them, just the endlinks are. A set of '98-'02 style links will eliminate that bind while still allowing full swaybar action when the car starts leaning while cornering. One of the rare case of being able to have your cake and eat it too

[merc91]

Actually the sway bar does play a decent roll in launch as the car isn't full tube chassis/caged yet so being so long the car does twist up front with the engine trying to wrap up the front of the car in the mounts.
Letting the front just pull the drivers tire like it does and do its thing leaves less influence on the back half of the cars side to side loads at the tires... Not theory, spent tonnes and tonnes of time getting it to hook up like it does.

I will be doing a full tube chassis/cage in the future with aftermarket a-arms and will set up an ideal setup there with the sway bar with the ball endlink setup you're mentioning but for now just a light duty stock piece will be the ticket.

From what i'm hearing the civillian bar might be the ticket or possibly the wagon piece if 1 can be had

[merc91]

Will be selling the addco bars in the winter allong with quite a bit of other goodies at upgrade time

[His Royal Ghostliness]

Ah, ok, yeah if you twist the chassis up where one tires comes off the ground before the other the swaybar will be doing its thing.