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    Where can one obtain new shift tube bushings?

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    ^^You can buy them at any parts store...pretty much. Just bring the Dorman number because most catalogs don't list them for our cars for some reason even tho they are the same part from '85+ on most column shifted Fords. They're under $10 for the pair. Not a big deal to replace either other than being in a tight spot. I've replaced them on every one of mine, they always turn to dust by time the cars are old enough for me to buy them. My '97 and '98 all that was left was some shreds of plastic chilling on top of the column.
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    All fixed.
    Yeah, I was missing one bolt out of the bracket, and the other one was loose.
    One the plus side, I fixed it, and it shifts into ALL gears now.
    On the minus side, I broke the adjustment bracket for the shift inidicator. Now it doens't indicated which gear it's in. I just have to listen and feel for the clicks in the each gear.
    meh.


    -ryan s.
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    It pains me to hear that was/is still a problem with the aeros. I broke mine when I attempted the heater core replacement. I found another adjuster bracket assembly in the JY a while back. Just haven't had the motivation to drop the steering column to replace it. :-/

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    It started surging at idle randomly. Then the random part turned to constantly. At a stop, the rpm would surge to nearly 2k at times. It sucks when you're decelerating and the car wants to keep acclerating. And it's totaly bad for fuel mileage, which was definitely trending down.
    Anyways, I had a spare one laying around. Swapped that in, no more problems. Mileage still wasn't as good. While filling up, noticed left rear was kinda low. Came home to check, 17 psi. All tires are now at 34-35 psi.
    Started driving slower, and now I'm back on track mileage-wise.
    Need to do an oil change sometime this week. And address the leaking rear brake line.
    But besides that, all good here.


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    73 VW Super Beetle "Bunky" <----- Wifey's
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    What did you swap in!?
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    Oh shit.
    lol.
    Idle Air Control Valve.

    Changed the oil last night and hada chance to look things over. I need an idler arm; the bushing in the bottom is deteriorating quickly and creating a bit of play in the steering. Probably going to need a new tensioner and belt soon as well.
    But the mileage is back; over 410 miles on this tank so far, which is nice.


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    03 Mercury Marauder- 58,171 miles
    97 Ford Crown Victoria HPP "Tank of Justice III" (TOJ3) - 189k -->578.9 miles on ONE tank of gas<--
    73 VW Super Beetle "Bunky" <----- Wifey's
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    Ryan,

    Just came off a +/- 1000 mile trip in the Escape, indicated 20.4 on the tripminder thingy.
    What can be done (other than slow down) that will make a noticeable difference?
    Tires are @ recommended pressure, last tuneup is unknown. ( and I'm not entertaining the idea of doing plugs outside @ this time of year)
    It has a new K&N filter. 160K on the odo.

    '10 Escape LTD, V6 AWD. K&N, VentVisors

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    Bumping up tire pressure helps. I keep the Tank at 35psi. If I had newer tires, I'd go for 38-40psi.
    Slowing down is key, along with removing any unneeded weight. Roof racks, mud flaps are terrible for aero. Blocking out the front to force the air to go around it helps as well. If there is a lower grille, covering it partially or completely (depending on need) can work.
    The biggest improvement can be made by adjusting the nut behind the wheel.
    Having a real-time guage to get instant feedback is good as well. My vacuum gauge is a great way of seeing fuel consumption. It is possible to maintain the same speed with less throttle.


    -ryan s.
    08 Lincoln Navigator L - 163k
    03 Mercury Marauder- 58,171 miles
    97 Ford Crown Victoria HPP "Tank of Justice III" (TOJ3) - 189k -->578.9 miles on ONE tank of gas<--
    73 VW Super Beetle "Bunky" <----- Wifey's
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVT98t View Post
    Bumping up tire pressure helps. I keep the Tank at 35psi. If I had newer tires, I'd go for 38-40psi.
    Slowing down is key, along with removing any unneeded weight. Roof racks, mud flaps are terrible for aero. Blocking out the front to force the air to go around it helps as well. If there is a lower grille, covering it partially or completely (depending on need) can work.
    The biggest improvement can be made by adjusting the nut behind the wheel.
    Having a real-time guage to get instant feedback is good as well. My vacuum gauge is a great way of seeing fuel consumption. It is possible to maintain the same speed with less throttle.


    -ryan s.
    Thanks Mang, does bumping the pressure up cause the center of the tire to wear prematurly?

    '10 Escape LTD, V6 AWD. K&N, VentVisors

    ‘87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars, Dead AOD.....

    '91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, 'Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts...

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    Depends how much you inflate it. Over-inflation will wear the center, under-inflation wears the edges. Proper wears it evenly, but there is a range where you get full contact. The chalk test on the tread will tell you what the min/max is.

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    Chalk test, got it. I used to use water on flat smooth concrete to check my slicks, Chalk sounds easier...

    '10 Escape LTD, V6 AWD. K&N, VentVisors

    ‘87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars, Dead AOD.....

    '91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, 'Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts...

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    Water works too, all the same idea. Not as easy now, the water is either solid or everywhere.

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    FWIW, I ran 38psi in my '96 with its 215/70/15 tires, same pressure in my Town Car with its 225/60/16 seemed to wear the shoulders as if they were underinflated. At that time I was putting a ton of miles on it on the freeway and had some fairly sporty all-seasons. Bumped those up to 42psi (max on those was 50) and they wore evenly from there on out. Got my record best Panther fuel economy on those tires with them set at 42psi, managed just under 31mpg. New tires didn't like being aired up so high, so they have been run at 38psi like my '96 and are wearing evenly, 2nd best Panther fuel economy was on those at a hair under 30mpg. So there isn't really an exact science to it and there are a lot of variables, but the recommended pressure from the manufacture is always a compromise between ride quality and tire life/safety based on the tires the car was originally equipped with. Tires have changed a lot since then, and with most of our cars being in the 20+ year old range chances are the original tires can't even be bought anymore.

    As far as fuel economy goes, the easiest thing to change is the driver. I suppose if you were going for the best mileage you could possibly get, changing the aerodynamics could come into play, but with a Panther you got a lot going against you in that department. My best fuel economy record actually happened while my front end was smashed up and partly held together with tape, hood was sticking up slightly, etc.. Aerodynamics were not on my side. I've never tried to set any economy records, but if I have to make a longer freeway run I'm going to at least be conscious of how I'm driving and do my best to not drive wastefully. Not flooring it to pass every car that's going slightly slower than you and waiting for a break to pass without having to speed up a lot makes a big difference, even in the city.
    -Steve

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    1997 Lincoln Town Car Cartier ~145k miles, Ported Plenum, Gutted Airbox, Mechanical Fan Delete, Contour E-fan Retrofit, Dual exhaust, Cats ran away, KYB Gas-A-Justs, P71 front sway bar, air ride reinstalled, Blinker Mod, Projector headlight retrofit, Caddy 4-note horn retrofit, Wood rim steering wheel retrofit, all natural weight reduction as the parts fall off..
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    He's talking about the fuel efficiency in his Escape.
    But all valid points, nonetheless.

    For anyone's reading pleasure. Or if you're bored, lol.

    https://ecomodder.com/forum/EM-hyper...ecodriving.php


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    97 Ford Crown Victoria HPP "Tank of Justice III" (TOJ3) - 189k -->578.9 miles on ONE tank of gas<--
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMerc96 View Post
    FWIW, I ran 38psi in my '96 with its 215/70/15 tires, same pressure in my Town Car with its 225/60/16 seemed to wear the shoulders as if they were underinflated. At that time I was putting a ton of miles on it on the freeway and had some fairly sporty all-seasons. Bumped those up to 42psi (max on those was 50) and they wore evenly from there on out. Got my record best Panther fuel economy on those tires with them set at 42psi, managed just under 31mpg. New tires didn't like being aired up so high, so they have been run at 38psi like my '96 and are wearing evenly, 2nd best Panther fuel economy was on those at a hair under 30mpg. So there isn't really an exact science to it and there are a lot of variables, but the recommended pressure from the manufacture is always a compromise between ride quality and tire life/safety based on the tires the car was originally equipped with. Tires have changed a lot since then, and with most of our cars being in the 20+ year old range chances are the original tires can't even be bought anymore.

    Quite true. Change the tire and you may need different pressure. Change the amount of crap you're hauling and that might do it too. I honestly thing the factory inflation on these cars was on the low side. I think my Continental calls for 26, and I think the Towncar may have been 30 or 32. I run the Conti at 35 and the Towncar about 38. I tried the Conti at 26 once just for yucks. Its a marshmallow anyway but with the tires that low it was actually scary.

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    End of the year update:
    Finished the year at 183,779 miles.
    I put just over 16k on it since April.
    Finally got on the road in April, to reduce driving the Navigator as much.
    Did a MFS, upper and lower ball joints, alignment, parking brake, shift tube bolt, radiator.
    Not too bad, lol.

    Its rolling well now. Putting an idler arm in tonight, since the bushing is smoked, and I'm getting some play in the steering while driving.
    Also have a leak in the rear brake line. Just picked up a 25' roll, and going to tear I to that over the next few days.
    Besides that, tires, maybe a tune with the CVPI air box and MAF.MAF
    And keep dropping weight. Down 149 lbs on the car. Nice.


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    My 93 has been slowly getting worse with the steering. Not sure if tires (they are worn in the center and do that pulling back and forth at times) or idler arm (same thing happens with crappy idler arm and mine is original IIRC). I should probably just replace my idler arm since it's a cheap part just to make sure and get a greaseable joint.

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    Idlers on these are kind of a high wear thing. I've occasionally wondered if rebuilding one with a poly bushing would be of any use. For how cheap they are its probably not worth the effort though.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    FYI K8283 does not fit.
    Fucking clowns.
    The ID of the bushing is too small.

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