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    maybe 1989 was the end of it, but it was somewhere in that time period. 89 Mark VII had an 85 speedo, 90+ had 120 and the clusters will interchange.

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    Could have been. But I'm fairly certain that starting in '87 the Formulas and Trans Ams got 120mph clusters and then the 140 was optional. I've never seen an '87 with anything but the 120mph cluster, even the V6 ones. Literature shows there is an '85 available and even a basic cluster with just a speedo and idiot lights in place of gages.
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    The first wagon bolt of 2019 has been turned!

    Started work on the front end rebuild. This was not strictly necessary, however the brake system needed to be 100% redone with all new everything, so it seemed like a smarter investment to cover the front end parts at the same time. The "might-as-wells" catalyze each other and you end up with it making a lot more sense to just do the brake swap. In this case, 95-97 to accommodate my 15" cop car steelies.

    Ball joints and tie rod ends are Moog Problem Solver. Upper control arms are junkyard 92-94 arms, with new Moog rubber bushings. Inner and outer tie rod ends are Moog Problem Solver with Quick Steer adjusting sleeves. Bump stops are being reused. Lower control arm along with its bushings is being reused. Sway bar end link is McQuay-Norris under the ProSteer brand (the one for the other side will be Mevotech, also under the ProSteer brand).









    Yes, only one side done (and even then, incomplete) in an afternoon...I'd be really bad at doing this professionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    The spring try and kill you?
    Yes, actually...it put up a much better fight than my 91 did.

    The only reason I took it out was to evaluate the condition of the lower arm bushings. They are in usable shape so it went back together. I don't think I'm going to take the spring out on the other side. Those things contain all sorts of pent up hate.

    I was half tempted to put my Speedway springs in because of how much easier it goes together on them, except I completely hated how my 91 rode on them, and won't fall into that trap again.

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    I truly hate messing with the springs on these. I changed mine 3 times to end up back with stock replacement springs. No more of that crap.

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    Sinus infection has gone away. Work slowly resuming.

    Knocked off the passenger side knuckle and upper control arm. Forgot to put the jack under the LCA when I cut through the sway bar link...it's a good thing the arms have a good lip on them to hold the spring or I'd probably have taken some damage from that lapse in judgment.

    Put the new shock in but found one of the lower holes is stripped, par for the course. Went rooting through my collection of bolts and found something that should work but it's quite a bit bigger. Surgery to install that will be another day.

    I'm feeling a lot better about the condition of the frame now that I've taken a wire brush to some of the extra scaly spots. It truly is just surface rust. This frame is as solid as they come, it's just ugly. A thorough powerwash, forced air dry, and then oil bath will need to be done.

    I also found what appears to be some sort of fungus growing on the intake manifold. Kinda neat in a really weird way. Pics to come when I remember to take one. It's a green jelly that I initially mistook for antifreeze but I'm pretty sure it's an organic growth, bearing in mind how much grossness existed under the hood of this when I dragged it home.

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    Ooo biology. Did you taste it?
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    No...no I did not lol. Although if it is Nostoc, which it appears to maybe be, it seems it wouldn't do any harm. It's clinging to vertical walls on the intake manifold so I don't see how it could be antifreeze; that would be pooling rather than clinging.

    Passenger side is assembled with new lower ball joint, junkyard knuckle, new upper ball joint, junkyard upper arm with new bushings, new shock, new sway bar link. Tie rods for both sides are on-hand but not yet installed.

    Hubs, calipers, rotors to come later. Brake plumbing is coming soon; as a refresher, that will include a new booster (old is already removed), newer style master cylinder without frame mounted dual system valve, and new hard lines all around using mostly metric flare nuts with bubble flares.

    I noticed that in order to re-add AC to this car I will need to get the bracket that goes below the compressor, where the idler mounts, as that bracket was removed when P.O. de-smogged the car. It is my intent to make the AC work on this.

    I also had a lightbulb moment. I earlier described the car as sounding "like a tractor" for the first minute (or less) of runtime. I think it's the same thing that happened to my Lincoln when I pulled the air pump and found the check valves don't really work. The TAB/TAD is still connected and as such it's venting the cylinder head air pipe to atmosphere until the solenoid is triggered by the computer. So when it's finally time to run this baby again, I've got something to look for. Still a fair ways out from that though. Need a gas tank and lines and stuff.




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    I love seeing the front end conversion from the original setup to the later Panther stuff.

    When you take that setup in for an alignment, do they align it as a typical Box or an early Aero? Are any of your other cars running with that setup, and if so, how is the brake feel compared to the stock stuff?

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    Hmm, yeah that's tough to say if it was coolant or just growth.. Looks like it could have been coolant that was leaking and has dried. But where it would it have come from? My '88 had something along those lines under the throttle body where it was leaking at the spacer thing. It was such a small leak that I didn't notice it until I had the air snorkel off to lube the throttle linkage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodachrome Wolf View Post
    I love seeing the front end conversion from the original setup to the later Panther stuff.

    When you take that setup in for an alignment, do they align it as a typical Box or an early Aero? Are any of your other cars running with that setup, and if so, how is the brake feel compared to the stock stuff?
    My 91 has 98-02 front brakes with stock 10" drums. On a 225 tread width tire, $27Cdn RockAuto Ultra Rotor rotors and $12Cdn RockAuto Dash-4 semimetallic pads, the car will easily put the front seat passenger into the dash if not belted. That car stops very well.

    This car is getting 95-97 parts because I want to run 15" steelies. However, this car needed ball joints and also completely new brake components including all lines, so it was a no-brainer to just do this in the process. Lose the silly serviceable bearing design and get the maintenance benefits of a sealed hub-bearing, plus easy upgrade to 98-02 parts later if desired (swap hubs, caliper brackets, calipers, flex lines, rotors and done)

    Edit: realized I forgot to answer the alignment part. I just tell them to set it to the specs of its correct model year, but advise them that they have both the original model year as well as 1998 style adjustments available. Two different shops have done the 91 and neither seems to have had issues with it, however, I think they only touch the ball joint...which is potentially bad if the "caster" of the control arm itself is not correct, as that could give good alignment at right height but out of whack at other heights.

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    Hmm, yeah that's tough to say if it was coolant or just growth.. Looks like it could have been coolant that was leaking and has dried. But where it would it have come from? My '88 had something along those lines under the throttle body where it was leaking at the spacer thing. It was such a small leak that I didn't notice it until I had the air snorkel off to lube the throttle linkage.
    There's nowhere for the coolant to have come from if it's that. The green stuff is on the vertical wall of the intake that leads up to where the throttle body mounts. I suppose it's still a maybe but if the EGR cooler leaked it would have pooled onto the flat surface, not shot over onto a vertical surface and remained there. But anything is possible.

    If it turns out to be blue-green algae, that would help confirm my theory that the car might have been dunked in Lake Erie at some point during a boat launch mishap.
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    Interesting theories. Buut if dunked up to the intake, wouldn't there have been water in the crankcase? Dead ECM? Mold in the interior?
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    Radioactive mold waste byproduct.

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    Stupid, stupid, stupid.
    Just bent up the most magnificent brake line for the wagon, starting with a 60" pre-cut length of PVC-coated steel line. I had it on hand so figured I'd use it.

    Started from the passenger side, so I did the precision bends to hop over the frame rail off the vehicle, then shaped it by hand from there. Used the factory mounting points on passenger side frame rail and below the oil pan. Then when I crawled out from under I realized it isn't going to be long enough to get to the master cylinder. Nuts.

    I will probably cut the line roughly below the driver side exhaust manifold, flare it, then use a union to put another piece of line from that up to the master. Ironically, if I were using the original design master with frame mounted valve, I'd have enough line there currently. Oh well.

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    Been there, done that. Took special precautions to avoid that: I put the flare nut on top of the flaring tool. Can't pick up the flaring tool without seeing/touching the flare nut. It's foolproof, unlike my line length guesstimating skills.

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    Once again... I'm glad I live in the land of no salt.

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    I don't rub. You know I'm too blunt for that.

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