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    Whoa, an update!

    I mentioned recently...
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    RockAuto, Amazon, some other vendors, then it dawned on me...U-Haul. Most of their hitches are Curt units just with U-Haul's logo on them; there's nothing wrong with them at all. My local corporate location had one, so no shipping, just $150 Canadian plus tax and it was mine. Install looks dead simple as all holes needed already exist in my frame. And yes, the frame is solid enough. While I was at it, I picked up a Class II (better than nothing) for the Lincoln, so it can be equipped with the same amenities...bike carrier being a primary goal there. Same thing, $150 plus tax, and they had it on-hand. Both hitches were tagged "do not reorder", which is maybe unsurprising considering both applications are now long-discontinued vehicles.
    After giving it more thought, I decided that 1-1/4" receivers have no place in my life. I returned the Class II for the Lincoln back to U-Haul, and had a local towing specialist order a class III instead. I added it to my garage of endless upcoming projects, and pulled out the previously purchased Pro Series (Cequent, Reese) Class III and put that on the Lincoln yesterday.

    I did have to grind down a little weld spatter on the frame, but nothing major. The fish wire they provide with the hitch is a lifesaver. Fitment on the car is pretty much perfect, with just enough clearance from the license plate. The instructions note that 85-89 Town Cars require additional spacers to drop the hitch away from the frame, which surely has to do with the new bumper for 85, but for the old fat bumpers, those aren't necessary.

    One the hitch was on, I installed Air Lift 60769 air springs inside the coils. Quite frustrating to get into the coils with the springs, but they went in. Undid the shocks to get more spring height for that. Like the Ranger, I'll use manual fill valves for now and see how I like it. I put the fill valves in pre-drilled holes on the hitch but may relocate them in the future.

    While under the car I figured out why the exhaust is sagging oddly...the universal hangers I used behind the mufflers broke (metal studs ripped out of the rubber straps). Back to the drawing board for that. Easy fix once I find the right product to use for it.

    I also test fitted my new bike rack. It can't fully fold up into the storage/transport position due to the hitch being recessed, but it otherwise seems like a good fit.






























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    You might already know this info, but hope this helps if you don't. If the Air Lift bags have heat shield(s) included in the box, use them. The warranty will be void if you don't. It protects the bag from the heat of the exhaust pipe. I ran a tee from each bag to the fill valve. Then mounted the valve in the center of the filler panel. You should like the bags, I used them on two cars and they lasted about 15 years.

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    Ah, yes. I will be installing those heat shields but figured I'd wait until I re-hang the exhaust. This car is seasonally parked right now, so it's not urgent.

    I wanted to avoid drilling holes in anything anywhere, so the existing holes on the hitch were perfect. They won't be convenient to access, of course. I could put them through a couple vacant bolt holes in the bumper so they point downwards. Or depending on what's behind the license plate I could run them through the unused set of bolt holes on the license plate. That'd be kind of slick.

    Depending on how my inspection of the front end goes, it might get a complete front end rebuild before it goes back on the road, but we'll see. Rear sway bar is on the to-do list as well.

    I'm hoping the bags when empty (minimum pressure of 5psi) won't affect the ride quality. I'll really be kind of upset if they do.
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    I was planning to get a set of those and plumb into the auto-level rear suspension. My car sits at the right height unloaded, so I'm hoping it won't bother the ride any since it shouldn't have much air to speak of. Let me know how it turns out. I may have to add a pressure switch in the mix to make sure the compressor doesn't attempt to over-fill the bags. Should be easy enough, just wire it between the relay and the control module, if its beyond whatever the max pressure for the bags are, the pump won't go.

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    If the conversation sounds like Deja Vu, it's because it is: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...Spring-Options

    A point that came out of that was: do not plumb the bags and the shocks together, because the shocks need more "P" per each of their fewer "SI" (as in PSI) than the bags do.

    Of course I suppose that means, as long as the Air Lift bags provided sufficient lift, it wouldn't matter if the shocks were doing their job much or not. But then there's not much point to having them.

    Operating range is 5 to 50PSI. Air Lift says not to let them drop below 5, I guess because it will allow them to distort in the spring and possibly become damaged.

    Re-capping somewhat, this car did get CC817 cargo coils, which I found sagged unacceptably with load, so I put in 8805 constant rate Lincoln springs and found it also sagged unacceptably with load. That's how I arrived at the air spring option.
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    Please note... max PSI is 35 as noted in the installation instructions: https://www.jegs.com/InstallationIns.../022-60769.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    Please note... max PSI is 35 as noted in the installation instructions: https://www.jegs.com/InstallationIns.../022-60769.pdf
    Where'd I get 50 from...weird. Yes, 35.
    And based on how much lift I see (unloaded) at even 10PSI, I doubt 35 is needed for my uses.

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    Yes the wire fishers are handy for the hitch install. I junkyard picked my set up. Luckily I had a long extendable magnet on hard to rescuer the important bits. Same for the install.

    Anyway you can rig up a safe/sturdy uprightish position on your bike carrier?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
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    Anyway you can rig up a safe/sturdy uprightish position on your bike carrier?
    Receiver extension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    Yes the wire fishers are handy for the hitch install. I junkyard picked my set up. Luckily I had a long extendable magnet on hard to rescuer the important bits. Same for the install.

    Anyway you can rig up a safe/sturdy uprightish position on your bike carrier?
    Junkyard was an option I did consider, but the savings in effort fighting rusty junk and risk working under a junkyard car were worth the added purchase price, to me anyway.

    There is a not-by-design midpoint in raising the rack up where it will sit, which is better than fully extended but definitely not vertical. It's a decent compromise. Other than that...

    Quote Originally Posted by VicCrownVic View Post
    Receiver extension?
    I don't think it would be wise to move the load any further aft of the axle, but it's something I'll look into.

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    I don't have the shocks on the car, I was planning to use the air bags instead. And yes I talked about doing this a long time ago. Shows how quickly I move on things.

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    You wanna know what it will handle? Here's my 93 with the load helpers (the AirLift 1000 bags) fully inflated, back seat full of crap, box full of crap. Level. Estimate probably 350# between backseat, trunk, and box. Had even more in the car when I went to Scottfest in 2015. Probably close to 400# just in the box and trunk. The only thing you'd have to worry about with an extension really is departure angle.
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    Looks like they do well, then. That cargo carrier is a smart setup. I recently bought one (the standard steel platform type, not enclosed, with folding ability to go vertical against back of vehicle) and I've been thinking that attaching something like a truck toolbox would add utility.

    The other consideration with adding length to the car (re: hitch extension) is overall length itself. The Panther is long enough, nevermind Town Car, nevermind it being a chubby bumper example. The car will already be virtually unparkable with the bike rack attached.

    Townie has no front end play. I was expecting some, but there's none. This is good, of course, but also means I have limited motivation to rip it all apart for its eventual brake upgrade. Maybe next year. Front end parts are not original on this and I have no background on their age or brand. 95-97 front brakes will go on this. The list of "might as wells" gets impressive there, as we all know. Before you know it you've upgraded to a newer master and replumbed the whole car.

    I received the new exhaust hangers today and installed them. I'm not optimistic about their life expectancy but time will tell. The stresses will be applied to the strap piece from a different angle with these ones so hopefully that will make it different this time around. I also re-did the rearmost hanger I put on the driver side, as it had been sagging from the angles I had the hanger bent at. I suspected that would be necessary right from day one with the new exhaust. Due to how everything had been sagging and hanging oddly, and wiggling, the gaskets at the cat flanges came out of position or something and there are exhaust leaks there, but it doesn't sound awful so the priority here is low. Not to mention having water escape points at all joints is kind of helpful to the longevity of these parts.

    I bought hose clamps (because Air Lift does not supply ones small enough for 2" exhaust) and installed the heat shields for the Air Lift bags. Clearance is tight but I think it'll be fine.

    Test drive went well. Air bags at 5PSI (minimum as per Air Lift). They have firmed up the rear a little even with that little pressure, so it isn't wallowy like it has traditionally been, but it isn't offensive. No weird exhaust noises. Brakes still work. Good stuff.


















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    Length when parking isn't the issue, its driveway entrances. With a bunch of extra behind the rear axle it'll be inclined to bottom out if things are too steep. Besides, modern trucks dwarf these things in overall length, and they have much worse turn radius besides.

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    FYI: I didn't use the heat shields. It's been 4 or 5 years. No issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    Length when parking isn't the issue, its driveway entrances. With a bunch of extra behind the rear axle it'll be inclined to bottom out if things are too steep. Besides, modern trucks dwarf these things in overall length, and they have much worse turn radius besides.
    I cringe when I see extended/quad cab long box trucks, especially in tight parking lots. I often wonder how many carrier bearings & U-joints they have...
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    stock driveshaft on my S10 extended cab is 5 joints and a carrier bearing. The driveshaft is not longer than a Towncar's. The one in the truck now has 3 and the bearing and it vibrates like a bastard. The original was even worse once it started going bad. Thats why I don't drive the truck much, its like being in a cheap hotel's vibrating bed for however long it takes to get places.

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    More things have happened.

    195,426km oil/filter/chassis lube, and topped up the ever-emptying power steering. You may recall I swapped on a miraculously non-leaking junkyard pump a while ago and that pump remains not leaking, however the input shaft seal of the steering gear is trashed.

    Replaced front 15/16" hollow stock sway bar with 1-1/16" solid cop car bar sourced from 86 P72 back in the summer. Did not bother with paint or anything like that as it's a piece of metal that flexes, doesn't make any sense to waste the effort and material. Reused the junkyard mounting bushings as they were in good shape, plus, the leaking steering gear destroyed the bushing on that side and I don't want to waste good bushings until I can fix that problem. Used new end links, of course. I did have one of the bolt holes in the frame strip out; I rooted around in the garage and found a larger size bolt (for a bumper), drilled and tapped the hole to the larger size and used the bumper bolt. Had to cut it shorter as something is inside the frame rail (probably a steering gear bolt) preventing long bolts from working there.

    Added rear cop car sway bar as well. Holes pre-existed in my lower arms. Reused junkyard hardware as it was in good shape.

    Washed car for the first time in months. I'm sure it's still dirty but at least it's less dirty.










    Hmm...what's that jingling sound?



    Between the new rear springs (8805 stock replacement) and the Air Lift bags at 5PSI, the rear is sitting higher than I'd like it, but a reasonable approximation of correct. If I can get the front to come up by replacing the front springs, it should sit pretty much perfect, if perhaps a bit tall. Alternatively I could load a bunch of crap in the trunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    stock driveshaft on my S10 extended cab is 5 joints and a carrier bearing. The driveshaft is not longer than a Towncar's. The one in the truck now has 3 and the bearing and it vibrates like a bastard. The original was even worse once it started going bad. Thats why I don't drive the truck much, its like being in a cheap hotel's vibrating bed for however long it takes to get places.
    My extender cab Ranger was that way. I think I had to put two carrier bearings in it while I owned it.

    Quote Originally Posted by kishy View Post
    ...Between the new rear springs (8805 stock replacement) and the Air Lift bags at 5PSI, the rear is sitting higher than I'd like it, but a reasonable approximation of correct. If I can get the front to come up by replacing the front springs, it should sit pretty much perfect, if perhaps a bit tall. Alternatively I could load a bunch of crap in the trunk.
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    You know me well. Although all that crap was already in the trunk before the wagon cargo coils and Gabriel HiJackers.

    I was there the day those sway bars were pulled in the yard. I really need to get out more, I think that's the only time I've been to the JY with Kevin.
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