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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    I wouldn't expect a mid 90s Ranger with a 5 speed to be all that bad. They responded decently to EFI. The carb ones kind of sucked, the carb automatic ones were flat out horrible. The 4 plug variant they had out in the mid 90s ran pretty good. Not sure if that was a 2.3 or a 2.5 but I knew someone who had a Ranger with that motor and the 5 speed. It went pretty well.
    tHE LAST OF THE CARBED ONES WERE 2.0L version of the 2.3. i CALLED THEM electronic carbs. the 2.3 version in those days were FI. Started to design a split port 2.3 with a dual runner intake. would have been quite similar to the 3.0 v6 I did port wise. It was shit caned just before it went to casting division. Politics killed it. later did the oil pan and pickup tube for the 2.5 stroked version of the 2.3 used the last couple years. Saved them 3.50 cents a oil pan. It was an improved structurally, eliminated oiling issues inherent with the old design. Could have even done more but was limited do to shipping pallets and assembly line constraints which would have cost millions to change.

    They had some issues with the dual plug designs some connection at the fire wall if I remember correctly would come loose or something and often keep one set of plugs from firing. Most never knew the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    I wouldn't expect a mid 90s Ranger with a 5 speed to be all that bad. They responded decently to EFI. The carb ones kind of sucked, the carb automatic ones were flat out horrible. The 4 plug variant they had out in the mid 90s ran pretty good. Not sure if that was a 2.3 or a 2.5 but I knew someone who had a Ranger with that motor and the 5 speed. It went pretty well.
    My brother had a '95 regular cab shortbox with 4.10's and it went really well compared to my extender cab & it's 3.73's. Was great for tooling around in the city or even the expressway. Not a race truck by any means but for economical, easy to maintain transportation it was great. When I was looking for one I drove a '98 that had the 2.5 you speak of and yeah, that was even better. More torque where you needed it. Truck was a pile so eventually found my '94 and bought that instead.

    I liked the dual plug idea as it eliminated the need for a smog pump. Actually the reason I never got into S10's despite me liking GM's interior design better. Plus I got all stoked reading about the reliability factor of the 2.3 and so that was that. Same group of friends began educating me about the 300 six and well, eventually I moved on to those. I miss RangerTurds though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbo2256b View Post
    ...electronic carbs...
    I don't think I'd call that super accurate. It's not a feedback carb. It has an idle speed motor to bump and hold the idle higher at certain points but it still has the traditional idle speed linkage and works exactly the same aside from the "computer" being able to hold the idle higher if it wants to. Off the top of my head the only sensor the system has is integrated with a ported vacuum switch, for coolant temperature.

    The carb is a Carter YFA. It's largely the same as the YFA that appeared on the 300 I6, which was a feedback carb complete with TPS and all, but the 2.0 version is minus the feedback stuff.

    I do want to eventually 2.3 EFI swap this, but I'm not paying over $100 for the engine so that's gonna be a while down the road. Have to be careful about more torquey options such as the 2.5 because the TK5 trans has internals made of Pillsbury crescent rolls, or so I'm told. I have no plans to get rid of the TK5 either.

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    You're in the great white north. I think the models we got here had additional bullshit that you guys were spared. By and large late carb era stuff in the US was just a nightmare. EFI was a welcome upgrade from feedback carbs and the miles of vacuum plumbing.

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    The things you can do with vacuum are great, but after years of being able to study the failures and problems it caused and why they still continued to use it is beyond me. It's not like people weren't already going to servo motors and stuff. Another reason why I like GMT400 trucks so much. All the vacuum crap is right where you can see it and easy to troubleshoot. None of it messes with the HVA/C either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    The things you can do with vacuum are great, but after years of being able to study the failures and problems it caused and why they still continued to use it is beyond me. It's not like people weren't already going to servo motors and stuff. Another reason why I like GMT400 trucks so much. All the vacuum crap is right where you can see it and easy to troubleshoot. None of it messes with the HVA/C either.
    Aero and whale Panthers have comparatively little vacuum going on, just PCV, fuel pressure regulator, and emissions (EGR and EVAP). I think the box cars kept using it because it was an old design dating back to before electric controls for a lot of that stuff was the norm, and back to carbs where there wasn't a computer to control stuff. At least it isn't a "classic" vehicle where everything was vacuum operated including door locks, that would be a nightmare to troubleshoot. I'll take electrical over vacuum when it comes to troubleshooting anyday.
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    Yeah I think you're right there. They only seem to engineer that stuff away with a new platform or significant platform update.
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    Tables might be turning on that engine swap. The sale is back on, and there's an 87 Turbocoupe in the yard...

    Derek, you free Saturday? Shoot me a PM if you are.

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