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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdofprey View Post
    I'd bet the floorpan changed around 89 when the dash did.
    Floor pan, firewall, dash, steering column, HVAC (and other little miscellaneous things) changed for model year 1990.

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    Its amazing how much retooling they spent on just 2 model years. I wonder if the plan was to hold off the generation change for a few more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdofprey View Post
    Its amazing how much retooling they spent on just 2 model years. I wonder if the plan was to hold off the generation change for a few more years.
    Well, kinda sorta. That same new-for-90 firewall and floor pan (and a good deal of the HVAC and column design - not the exact parts but the engineering) were carried through, as far as I know, right to the end in 2011.

    90 was the year the Town Car got its Aero body. Looking back on it, I suspect the fact the Ford and Mercury kept the old body for 2 more years probably had more to do with Ford feeling overwhelmed/overrunning their schedule and they couldn't make it happen for the Ford and Mercury in time for 1990.

    It also might have had something to do with wagons...since the factory never built a wagon in the Aero body, maybe Ford wanted to keep a full size wagon on the market for 2 extra years. Cheaper to engineer the newer stuff under the skin into the old body than it is to engineer the whole new body to match. Just guesses, of course, I don't actually know anything about the 'why'.

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    And they had their hands full with the sudden boom that was the Explorer in 91, I'm sure productions lines were changed to handle the ramp up of Explorer production.

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    Drill holes to match and bolt together.

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    It seems like you could just swap the seat rails and be done with it. Might require a little modification.
    Another option, which I have done a few times, is to take everything apart and swap the cushions and covers. Not a big job. Couple of hours max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    Drill holes to match and bolt together.
    Meaning in the seat to attach to the new (to it) seat rails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    Meaning in the seat to attach to the new (to it) seat rails.
    Yeah that will probably be the easiest route.

    I was surprised to see the bottom of the seat on the 84 was arched the same as the rails. Didn't seem like the flat bottom of the 90 seats were going to interfere though.

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    Was it usual for the base wagons to not have the rear door sill plates?


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    My base model 88 does have them. My loaded old 82 (a sedan), did not. I suspect it’s an early model vs late model thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdofprey View Post
    Went back to the JY today and took some photos of the 90 and some of the other cars of interest.

    Is that '90 still there? I've been wanting to get my hands on a set of HVAC controls that don't have floppy sliders. Those look to be intact. Is that a ATC car? I need a manual control set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giraffe View Post
    Is that '90 still there? I've been wanting to get my hands on a set of HVAC controls that don't have floppy sliders. Those look to be intact. Is that a ATC car? I need a manual control set.
    That car is still there. I'll check the HVAC controls next time I'm there and grab it if your serious about wanting them.

    Whats ATC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdofprey View Post
    That car is still there. I'll check the HVAC controls next time I'm there and grab it if your serious about wanting them.

    Whats ATC?
    Automatic Temperature Control. They look like the manual type. Just a little difficult to see.

    I'm definitely serious. None are ever on eBay, and all that I've come across in yards are similarly broken with floppy sliders.

    The yards around me just don't really have box panthers. If they do, most things are already picked, broken and unusable, or '89 and earlier stuff that I can't use.
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    Cool, I will take a look and snap you some closer photos next time I'm there.

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    I appreciate it. While I'm here, I gotta say I really like the wagon. I'm partial to the non-woody cars. My wife actually surprised me the other day when she said that she would have preferred a wagon over the sedan I currently own. I would have liked to have had a wagon, however, they are few and far between down here. Seems like all the used panthers are up north.
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    Giraffe, you can always try to fix the spacers that keep the control unit levers steady, if you have time/patience for that. That's what Mr Bean did: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post770671

    For a car with manual controls I would rather swap to later rotary style controls, but that requires installing an electronic blend door actuator. I have all the parts, but 2017 hasn't been good to me so I never got around to doing any of my planned projects. Keeping things going was all I had time for.
    Also, I believe there is some discussion before the above linked post where we talked about how to get at those spacers for repair. And my final off topic note, with manual controls the unit from an Aero is not a direct swap (I've found since discussing in the above linked thread) since they switched to electronic BDA (which made sly's rotary swap much easier on his '93) unless '92 still used the manually actuated setup (I wouldn't count on it). So you are stuck with just '90-'91 for a plug-and-play stock unit replacement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicCrownVic View Post
    Giraffe, you can always try to fix the spacers that keep the control unit levers steady, if you have time/patience for that. That's what Mr Bean did: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post770671

    For a car with manual controls I would rather swap to later rotary style controls, but that requires installing an electronic blend door actuator. I have all the parts, but 2017 hasn't been good to me so I never got around to doing any of my planned projects. Keeping things going was all I had time for.
    Also, I believe there is some discussion before the above linked post where we talked about how to get at those spacers for repair. And my final off topic note, with manual controls the unit from an Aero is not a direct swap (I've found since discussing in the above linked thread) since they switched to electronic BDA (which made sly's rotary swap much easier on his '93) unless '92 still used the manually actuated setup (I wouldn't count on it). So you are stuck with just '90-'91 for a plug-and-play stock unit replacement.
    I've considered the later style rotary knobs as well. I'm about 99% certain that the rotary setup in 1994-1998 Mustangs had a cable-actuated blend door. Might be possible to retrofit that into the car if the dimensions are the same.
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    makes me wonder if it wouldn't be possible to modify an 80s climate control head to drive the electronic BDA and have proper EATC. I have no desire to convert my car to a later style head unit, so basically its that or make it manual cable drive blend door when the stupid vacuum regulator thing bites the dust at some point in the future.

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    Just realized I didn't circle back around on the HVAC from the JY 90 for Giraffe.

    I stopped by the JY back on that Friday and found the sliders were VERY loose. Sorry that didn't work out.

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    I took the foam and fabric from a 93 town car and put it onto the 87 frame. For the butt cushion.

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