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    I need my fuel sipper vehicle now... My "race car" actually gets the best mileage of the vehicles I drive. I keep thinking a diesel swap on the Expy if I ever got the money to do something... or a 2.7 ecoboost in the vic... or some such. I wish I could get my hands on a Symetron drive system (Via Motors)... but that's a pipe dream.

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    Looked up the Via Motors products, cool stuff. Tesla can go pound sand, their shit is pretty useless for people who actually use their vehicles for something other than showing off...

    And on the opposite side of the world we have people dumping their diesels en masse, cause pollution and stuff, but really political/environmental brainwashing. Nevermind the current emissions control technologies actually do work as intended and some owners half-joke that what comes out of the tailpipe is actually cleaner than what goes into the intake..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    I need my fuel sipper vehicle now... My "race car" actually gets the best mileage of the vehicles I drive. I keep thinking a diesel swap on the Expy if I ever got the money to do something... or a 2.7 ecoboost in the vic... or some such. I wish I could get my hands on a Symetron drive system (Via Motors)... but that's a pipe dream.
    You know, if you were to put a dollar amount behind your labor and add up what you spent in parts & supplies to do your swap, you'd most likely need a decade before the fuel savings paid off, if even.
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    It needs a good shampoo job too.
    Ahh yes, the good ol'fashioned SJ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    You know, if you were to put a dollar amount behind your labor and add up what you spent in parts & supplies to do your swap, you'd most likely need a decade before the fuel savings paid off, if even.
    If we added in our own labor cost for anything on these cars, we'd never get the pay-off. Much less any fuel saving mods. That said... the Symetron system gets 33MPG on the highway in a full size truck/van. Gas generator, electric motor drive, would probably get around 38-42 mpg in an aero/whale and even a box if kept under 60 mph. Figure that into your calculations. It gets happier when you're able to DOUBLE your mileage. It gets better mileage in town if you are able to offset the fuel usage with cheaper electricity charging.

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    Even if it got 50mpg on the highway LoL. My box does 24.5, pretty dham good to me.. Parts for that thing sound expensive too.

    I mean, laying rubber, juggity-juggity-juggity cam sound and torque thrust put a smile on my face. So by all means if saving money on fuel does it for ya. In this case it sounds like the joke about the mom who sold her car for gas money...
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    the spendy parts are more better than anything on our cars and parts on our cars are sure to break first. My aero barely gets 21mpg on the highway if I baby it now (PI swap). It used to get 26mpg regularly with the original NPI engine of shame. Considering I do mostly city driving, If I had a charge port in my garage (easy enough) and that system in my car, I'd probably have to take long runs just to use up the gas before it went bad in the tank. It would make my trip range well over 600 miles though. Which would be nice. So yeah... saving gas would be stupid easy with my commute. Probably have to Sta-Bil the fuel every time I filled up (except on trips)... which would probably be twice a year... Considering how much gas I put through that thing... that would save easily about $1200 a year... not counting trips. But... cost of entry is still high and would make the ROI well over 20 years which makes it still not feasible. Still... being able to tell some uptight, self righteous, wind bag that my "gas guzzling land yacht" gets better mileage than their econobox would be epic.

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    ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
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    I donated a premium sound radio to the cause. We spent some time last night trying to get the power antenna to work. We got a new mast installed, and got it to retract but it won't go the other way. Hoping the EVTM will shed some light on this.
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    Meet the 1984 Lincoln Continental antenna control relay, aka "why the fuck does the antenna not work". This little gem lives on the passenger side of the trunk, attached to the hinge. This is powered from the radio's "hot when on" lead, which I presume is also the premium sound amplifier's switching lead.

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    Operation is actually very simple. When energized, the relay outputs power to one wire, when off it goes to another. The transistor inside is simply a buffer circuit, allowing it to operate on even less current than a standard relay would want. The antenna ran in the "down" mode, but would not work in "up" mode. The pics above should explain the problem and how I fixed it. It does work now, but it doesn't seem to grab the plastic cord on the mast all that well. It goes up, but doesn't run down all the way without help. At some point I guess I'll pull the antenna for further work.

    Antenna construction is actually fairly odd. A normal DC motor just reverses polarity to reverse direction. Not so with this. It is essentially two motors wound on one core, and the mounting bolt is the ground. Power to the red lead runs it up, power to the green lead runs it down, and presumably power to both would let the smoke out. It has an internal limit switch that shuts down the motor when it runs to the end of the antenna drum in whichever direction it is going.

    The stock premium sound amp is operational, and with the radio graciously donated by John, I have sound. Door speakers are crunchy, the dash speakers are unhooked and totally shot, rear speakers are not original but work fine. They came from Radio Shack sometime in the distant past, anyone remember Optimus components? They seem decent so they'll probably stay. I will fix the wiring though, its just twisted through the terminals on the right speaker. This is the early 2 channel premium sound setup, rears run straight off the radio, front runs through the football amp. Same system my 86 Towncar used.

    and yes the weirdo little diesel engine is the appeal. They're supposed to do low-mid 30s for fuel economy, but thats really not what I was mainly after. Its just such an unusual car that I had to have it. Power is acceptable, but its not going to blow anyone's doors off.
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    Any clue how that trace ended up with such high attenuation?
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    the mast was busted. My guess is it jammed and the trace acted as a fuse. If thats not it, I have no clue. The relay contacts look fine so I don't think it was a chronic overload condition, and honestly it wasn't burned looking either. Maybe it was just shite construction and it corroded away. The other joints in there don't exactly look mint.

    I actually also realized the owner's manual in the glovebox is for an 84 Towncar, not the 84 Continental.

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    Fun history pictures,

    The barn it sat next to for a decade and the MB that replaced it.


    And the night I brought it home, 7/27/17

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    Relay theory... the slobber on the traces got warm, flowed to the gravity down end and left the trace too thin to hold the current. The solder was there to increase the current handling, but when it thinned under the constant load, the trace said "phucket, I'm done" and let the magic smoke out.

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    OOHHHhhh nice!
    Definitly kudos for buying such a 'unique' new toy I don't think I'd have been as brave, unless it was free and came with all the parts it needed... lol...
    I may have something to donate to the stereo system... being premium sound can one assume it's a 2ohm /6 speaker setup? I have 2 6" 2ohm factory Bose speakers from some random 2000 + model car... they were too deep for my red Subaru and I didn't want to be obligated to run them with crossovers & tweeters anyway... They're yours if you want them!

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    So does it only work with the radio turned on? Or only ignition input?
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    radio on only, as it should be. I'm guessing it runs off the amp trigger.

    Pete, not totally sure what speakers it takes. I think these ran 3.2 ohm but I can't swear to that. Possibly its 6 ohm up front since the door and dash are in parallel. No clue what size either is. The door speakers are probably original, I know the dash and trunk are not. I haven't gotten into the doors, and probably won't for a while.


    Today's project, the belt tensioner assembly. This is not a user-serviceable part in it's stock form. It seems obvious that the intent is you replace the whole thing when the idler wheel wears out. Of course they haven't made any of the blasted things in more than 30 years and it doesn't seem that the aftermarket ever picked it up. Time to modify it.

    This is what the stock piece looks like. Thats not just a hat in the middle like I expected, you're looking at the front of the pulley.
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    The repair. This is actually a spare idler from the S10. Its too big, but you get the idea. I have one that should be the right size on order. Once it comes in, it will take the same idler the 86 Towncar takes and it will be held together with a simple bolt and self-locking nut arrangement like a sane person would use. I couldn't drill and tap the rivet, not enough material and no way to hold it.
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    wow. seriously one time use.

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    Surprised this one went away, Zach!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    wow. seriously one time use.
    Most box Panthers are the same way dude, once the belt tensioner wears the bearings you replace the whole thing. Aftermarket got smart and made the pulley bolt-on affair, once you buy the entire thing that's it, from there on out you just buy a new pulley as needed.
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    at least its easy enough to modify so it works like that going forward.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
    5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

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    I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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