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    The Quarterhorse can do I think 4 programs if you wire up the selector. I think it can switch on the fly too.

    The spacer is more useful for heat insulation than anything else. It helps keep the upper from heat soaking so the air charge is cooler. The runner length change probably doesn't affect things all that much. You'll need at least a 3/8 spacer to clear the fuel rail anyway.

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    don't think the 1" spacer is gonna clear a grand marquis hood. 1/2" probably.

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    Uhh, guys... I found a used mustang turbo kit for $300, only thing missing is the intercooler, apparently. https://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/...816007086.html
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    Remember... you do want to actually drive this right? Project creep is a real thing.

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    A supercharger would be better. More low end torque. Turbo lag is a thing, especially if the turbo isn't properly sized. Turbos are also prone to bearing failure if the oil supply isn't right. Run them dry or dirty and the bearings wipe out, then you're SOL. A wiggle test on the turbine shaft will usually tell you enough about it to make a judgement but if its way too cheap its probably for a reason.

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    Here's some beefy injectors (which I think fit) and a lot of parts that don't, but somebody here might be able to use. There's an ON3 turbo kit for a 2V 4.6 pretty cheap if anyone is interested, guy says "needs waste gate(s)" but I don't know/don't think it comes with the turbo either. https://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/...802476483.html
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    probably means blow off valve. Most turbos have an internal wastegate, but the BOV is needed to keep the turbo from beating the crap out of itself every time you shut the throttle after a pull. Unless he means the actuator, thats external. The wastegate is a flappy thing inside the turbine (exhaust side) housing. Basically as it opens, it lets exhaust bypass the turbine in order to control boost pressure.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

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    I would stay the naturally aspirated route. A turbo system is going to be a significant amount of work, with the risk of reliability issues.

    I am currently in the planning stages of a push-rod 302 for my '90 LX. I wanted to do a Coyote swap, but at the end of the day even though the engine is cheap, the rest of the swap is not.

    I have looked at a number of OTS cam grinds, and I had at one time actually settled on the Anderson N41 (mine is not a fuel mileage build). However, a custom ground cam from Ed Curtis (FlowTech Induction) is only $400. Given the nature of your build, I would definitely say that is your best option. A little more expensive, but if the performance and especially drive-ability is even marginally better, an additional $70-$150 is a small price to pay.
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    Found some used BBK headers (probably the 1515s) for $125, I know they're hit or miss with the GT40P heads, but hopefully I'll be getting the AFR heads put on. Think I should just go ahead & pick these up?

    I'm debating whether or not to have the bottom end checked/refreshed on whatever motor I get, and having the rings done too when the heads get put on.

    What's a decent ballpark price for an engine rebuild? Are there any shortcuts? Like I found this 302 roller block already 30-over to build a 306 for $300. https://cleveland.craigslist.org/pts...822096711.html

    Vs getting a block for $50-100 https://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/...811944310.html

    Obviously there are going to be some costs to get things checked out to make sure the motor is worth building. I'm going to try to talk to a couple machine shops here and see how much a build would run. I know short blocks are like $2300 from summit.

    I mean it would probably be cheaper and easier just to get the Explorer motor and have a machine shop out in PA slap the heads and intake on with a cam, and trust that the bottom end is going to hold up.
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    Like a machine shop rebuild? You're looking at about 700-1100 bucks or more depending on what all you're having the machine shop do. I had the block bored, a few broken bolts extracted, rotating assembly installed, cam installed and degreed, brass core plugs, etc. With parts and whatnot I think I paid 900. I installed the heads, timing cover, water pump, oil pump, oil pan and whatnot myself.
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    i have a short block in the shed that the tree fell on if we go the rebuild route.

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    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!


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    Got the shorty headers for $100 & the guy threw in Ford Racing valve covers for $40 more. I see no interface for posting pics but they're matte black with red Ford symbol and Ford Racing text. I hope they fit/work. https://twitter.com/SexCpotatoes/status/1101624040970772480
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    Found a 351W the guy claims is a "factory rebuild." haven't called yet to find out the story. I know the AFR 1402 heads will fit a 351, just don't know if I would need to look for different intakes or whatever, if the budget allowed a jump to that.

    https://akroncanton.craigslist.org/p...829706191.html
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    Now I'm wondering what injectors to go with, as I'm seeing some 42lb flow-matched injectors on ebay for like $59 (I don't know if they fit the motor). Because I googled the part number of some 30lb injectors I found on CL used for $150, apparently they've got refurb 30 lb sets cheaper than that including shipping.
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    Go big with injectors. Biggest you can afford. You settle out the rest in the tune. You will always have enough injector for future upgrades then.
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    Yes you need different intake. 351w is wider. What year is the 351? That will determine what you can do with it.
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    I haven't called on that 351w yet. Getting that, having the heads put on, then converting it to fuel injection (or buying the $$$$ right aftermarket intakes) would probably be pricier than just having a machine shop rebuild on that short block Scottmang has in the shed. I might call at the end of the week, but unless an intake also falls into my lap for a too-good-to-be-true price, probably have to pass on it.

    Too bad the CL ad's gone, someone was selling a set of 8 used ID1000 injectors that fit fox mustangs for like $450obo IIRC. It's already halfway through March, and I have a $25 summit racing discount code, so I'm going to have to start ordering parts and stuff soon. I'm sure I will have much firmer deadlines when Scott has his shop built and ready, and tows the car over from Skippyville.

    There are a few machine shops out Scott's way, it's too bad there aren't more google reviews on them posted.
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    all the ones down here that i used are closed up. there is the machine shop in pine grove that we have been using for about the past 7 yrs. he does good work and his prices are reasonable. i will continue to use him. driving up there is no big deal, it's near the appalachian trail.

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    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
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    1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!


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    Okay, I just got an Explorer lower for $50, it's a '97 so it looks like no EGR. I don't have to pass emissions, so that's getting deleted, do I have to plug anything in the upper intake or buy any spacers or anything (besides the tune of course)? I'm sending it out to Tmoss for a port job, then having him ship it to Scottmang. Have to figure out packing/insurance. I have to get at least a 70mm throttle body, if anyone has a spare for a decent price, I'm interested. I was supposed to get one from 1980c10 years ago sometime after I bought the '91 off him, when he upgraded his mustang, but that never happened.

    Also, I couldn't find the option for ordering from one warehouse when possible on rockauto. I think I may be limited to adding every part option for hoses/gaskets/belts/etc to my cart and figuring out manually how to get it in to the lowest number of shipments, and comparing it against pricing on amazon and summit where I wouldn't have to pay shipping.

    I had a $25 off $150+ code for summit from a promotional postcard/mailer that will expire in a few days at the end of March, so I went ahead and ordered the ARP head bolt bushings/spacer kit to make the 1/2" holes on the heads mount with the 7/16" studs the block will require. I also ordered the 1/2" phenolic ford racing intake spacer (though the reviews on it are mixed) and we may need to get some QUALITY bolts to mount it properly. So head's up, Scott, at least one box of parts is on the way so far.
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    do you want a 351w?......if so, let me know
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