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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    Get the mark 7 coal roller as a replacement.
    if I didn't dislike the early dashboard so much, maybe. Honestly my favorite is the one I have, the 90-92 LSC SE in either black or graphite.

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    The exhaust flanges bolted up to stock lincoln/mustang headers
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    if I didn't dislike the early dashboard so much, maybe. Honestly my favorite is the one I have, the 90-92 LSC SE in either black or graphite.
    Swapping in your existing dashboard would not be an option? Would some components not work nicely with the diesel dash? Its easy for me to suggest these things so I guess another reason may be due to the amount of work it may take or the lack of motivation to undertake such a project.
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    More work than I desire to do.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    i see the ebay aluminum cyl heads... wow, i paid that much with shipping for my thumper e7's back in 2004.

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    2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
    2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
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    The prices on everything are just sick nowadays. Ive priced out my 5 speed swap bits over a year or two ago now. Looking at them lately and the prices have jumped a couple hundo on the major component.... aka the trans. All other bits have risen in price as well.
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    Yeah why the shit are T5's so pricy? They aren't really special and were in just about everything for a long time. I just don't get it. And the built ones go for more than a tremec. Weird.

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    Here's some of the (re)reading I've been doing on turbos. Bookmarked this back in the day because the information about turbos is really universally applicable, and explained decently. http://www.allpar.com/fix/holler/slant-six-turbo.html

    Okay, maybe not universal because it mainly discusses carbed applications, but a lot less work, just add tune for EFI stuff.
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    Hmmm, never thought of turbo as a mileage investment, but if one is good, two is better right? If i go twin-turbo will my fuel economy double?

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklehead0202 View Post
    Hmmm, never thought of turbo as a mileage investment, but if one is good, two is better right? If i go twin-turbo will my fuel economy double?
    only if they're tiny enough
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    I found this twin turbo Mustang drivetrain for $3500 https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/pt...746466939.html

    But I'm reconsidering the turbo idea now. Because that link that I posted before about turbocharging the slant 6, on closer reading, said if your compression is 9:1+ then you don't see quite as much efficiency improvement from adding a turbo. Through further reading, I figured out that you can just flip the mustang headers upside down so they point forward when adding a turbo or two.

    I found this thread googling around about building a 302 for fuel economy https://www.fordmuscleforums.com/all...que-302-a.html (some of the numbers are off, other posters pointed out in the thread).

    https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ford...ngine-buildup/ I'm thinking the AFR heads are going to be the way to go, but I'm curious if there's a better/best higher torque cam or intake combination to use with them for maximum efficiency.
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    Turbos can add efficiency, but most people don't use them in that way. Its usually all about adding power, and if not done correctly it makes for an unreliable engine. I'd have a real hard time buying a used turbo motor without an extremely good idea of it's history and build. That particular one is squarely into the realm of power with a 302 where they are very prone to head gasket failures and general other trouble.

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    Okay, so I just recently got an awesome deal on some of the AFR Street Renegade 1402 heads, and a real '93? Cobra upper intake, not the chineseium knockoff from a forum member on here. Shipping was expensive and the exploder lower matches the Cobra intake (and I may have the lower sent out to be ported when the engine is obtained) so I didn't bother having the cobra lower sent out to Scott's. They came with 1.6 RR etc, so it's time to start thinking about a cam, head gasket, all the other gaskets and things for the motor. And start looking into if the Mustang A9P with (what sly told me) the burnt com port pin on the chip that I have can be repaired/chip replaced, hopefully.

    Of course, with the new heads, it opens up the options on headers so I can run ebay chinese specials, or look for a deal on CL. I won't have to worry about getting GT40P compatible headers, & I'll have ported heads with a normal/decent spark plug angle.

    Here's an article about testing the non-smog AFR 1399 heads (not the exact same I know), they did some option changing and slapped them on a mostly stock motor with a custom cam and picked up 63 rwhp & 37 ft-lbs of torque, then with the chip tune boosted it to 80 rwhp gain & 53 ft-lbs. The 302hp result is the same as the newer Marauder IIRC http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...low-redefined/

    Scott recommended TMOSS for the porting, I'll have to message him eventually to find out how much the port job would be and when he would have time to do it. I guess you can pick up 10-15hp porting the lower intake.

    I found a used Ford Racing alphabet cam X303, for $100 (1/2 price of a new one), but that's way too hot for a street driven car and fuel economy would suuuuck. https://meadville.craigslist.org/pts...801653243.html
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    The cam they used in the story actually works good - this coming from a fan of low rpm torque cams. Looks like it actually made the 4000-5000 usable instead of falling off like stock while not giving up much down low. Most cam swaps in articles advertise huge gains but they happen above 5500+ and give up so much down low.
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    Thanks, Tiggie, I'm open to any suggestions for the cam, of course. I know the XE258HR is what a lot of guys here recommend because it keeps the low end grunt intact, with similar specs https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-35-510-8

    But if it's only $13 more it may make sense to go with the custom ground cam.

    They might actually be 1.7 RRs, I do know the head bolt holes are 1/2 instead of 7/16" so I will need to buy $100 spacer kit from Summit.
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    If you're going with that setup a XE258 is to small, and im not talking about all out power, i mean for the setup in general... you'll be limiting your power and torque. go with at least a 264, or better yet the 270. They both have excellent low end torque and wont limit you in the higher RPM's. For fuel injection go with the 114, not the 112, the wider lobe separation is easier on the fuel injection and makes it a bit easier to tune, plus it will give you a wider, flatter power band.
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    i gotta source a motor and wait for the ground to freeze again.......yesterday i went muddin in my friend daves ranger. it sunk up to the wheels in the yard like 6" from the property line...it slid on me.....old f-250 pulled it out, but if i get the f-250 in the mud and stuck i'm sol. was able to pull the ranger from the driveway.

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    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
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    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!


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    Tmoss did my Explorer lower, no complaints. Turnaround was fairly quick too, I think he had it less than a week.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
    5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

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    parts are stored in the house safely for now.

    1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
    2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
    2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
    1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!


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    Keep in mind I kind of want the highest horsepower possible on this build, but decent fuel economy if I keep my foot out of it as well. I was thinking about researching those chip tuners or something you could keep a dual setup and flip a toggle switch to engage the real power.

    I did read that some of the Mustang guys use a 1" phenolic spacer put between the upper and lower intake (if I'm reading correctly), to lengthen the intake runners and slightly increase air-flow/speed. And that still fits under the hood.

    But for now I've been doing some reading/research on Head Gasket Technology/Materials, and stuff: http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-t...et-technology/

    I also found this link that supposedly tells you the exact part numbers you need to use for head gaskets for various AFR heads: http://www.online-racer.com/afr_165cc.htm

    I'm lazy, I just want somebody to tell me "buy this, this, and this, these are the best gaskets at a decent price, your compression ratio will be X:X:X, you should make around 320-400hp & get 20-28mpg" <-I know it won't be this high. 18/23 is a good wagon mileage, but if I can get that and have great butt dyno feel/gobs of power on tap, I'll be happy. I guess anything over 325hp I would have to upgrade to 30lb+ injectors etc.

    Another thing to keep in mind, is I get 89 gas for the price of 87 here all day long. So timing can be advanced a hair to require/take advantage of the small octane boost provided by high quality gas, and I can deal with the extra expense of buying 89 when out of town or on road trips. I'm sure it's not much boost, but every bit helps, amiright?
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