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    Good news on my last UOA! I think I can confidently push my OCI out to 2500 miles now.

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    I'm surprised that there was no fuel in it though. It's been running pig rich off and on the past couple months, enough that it's affecting gas mileage, so I expected there to be something noticeable.

    I also decided that I need to install my power seat track before I take it on another long trip. The fixed seat angle is fine for daily driving, but as tall as I am it gets uncomfortable after a couple hours.
    Nice...is that the report Blackstone gives? I've been interested in analyzing the oil from the Town Car, for kicks, but the cost was a bit of a turn off last I looked into it. The personalized feedback is cool though.

    Although I am overall fond of the seats in my 2-door, it has manual seats, and I know exactly what you're talking about, being a tall guy myself. The manual seat fixed angle oddly cants your seating position which screws with distance to steering wheel, distance to pedals and dash/column to knee distances.

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    Yes, it's the Blackstone report. When I first looked into it they were the only outfit I knew of. The sample kits have prepaid shipping labels on them now (for the U.S. at least) which makes them a bit better value, but when I consider that if I hadn't gotten the reports I'd've been running the oil for 5000 miles and probably shortening the life of the engine, I figure it's worth it.
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    I like this car, it's sad what's happened with the deer and the waterpump I replaced it on my two cars and I know it's not easy, one broken bolt on my 87, and 4 on my 88, I hope everything will be fixed on your ford.

    I really like your steel wheels with dogdish cap, is it 14 or 15 inchs ?
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    Starting to wonder if it's bad luck to wash this car. I didn't expect the hood ornament to be a wear item.

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    The ring wore through and broke, fortunately during the night and not on the road. I found the spring on the floor but not the retaining wire. I'm going to try drilling and tapping it for a small eye-bolt... probably won't work, but it's cheap to try.

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    I really like your steel wheels with dogdish cap, is it 14 or 15 inchs ?
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    I made a split-second decision to have the white lettering facing outward on my new tires. Looks good with the dogdishes, but probably won't if I ever wanted to switch to full wheel covers.

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    The shop told me one of the rear wheels is slightly bent, which is concerning since I don't recall ever hitting anything that would've bent one.

    Also got the A/C recharged just in time for our 90░F highs.
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    I like the white letter dog dish combo.

    You are doing better than me. I forgot that whitewall tires still exist. So even though I historically wanted whitewalls for my 90, I bought black walls because I wasn’t thinking. Never bought whitewalls before.
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    Hey, that's the same color as my old '85!
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    Dunno how I missed this; but nice CV! That car has been through a lot in a short period of time. Are you still daily driving it?

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    Yep, still dailying it March/April through November, snowfall permitting. But go figure, no sooner do I get this done than the master cylinder starts going out...

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    I like the white letter dog dish combo.

    You are doing better than me. I forgot that whitewall tires still exist. So even though I historically wanted whitewalls for my 90, I bought black walls because I wasn’t thinking. Never bought whitewalls before.
    Whitewalls seem to be even harder to find than white letters. At least there's enough musclecar-type cars that use this tire size that there's still some options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stocker View Post
    Yep, still dailying it March/April through November, snowfall permitting. But go figure, no sooner do I get this done than the master cylinder starts going out...



    Whitewalls seem to be even harder to find than white letters. At least there's enough musclecar-type cars that use this tire size that there's still some options.
    I've finally found two brands that carry whitewalls in the size I want to run on the cars. Toyo and Nexen both have 225/70R15 options, but you kinda have to look for them. 215/70R15 are a little easier to get whitewalls in, but are still on a "gotta look around" level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodachrome Wolf View Post
    I've finally found two brands that carry whitewalls in the size I want to run on the cars. Toyo and Nexen both have 225/70R15 options, but you kinda have to look for them. 215/70R15 are a little easier to get whitewalls in, but are still on a "gotta look around" level.
    Yeah, 215/75 has traditionally been the standard size on things that one would want whitewalls on.

    The two sizes are close enough in diameter that it isn't much of an issue to switch between them. When I went from 215/75R15 to 225/70R15 on my Cutlass, it actually made the speedometer (well, the odometer is what I checked then) more accurate, but that car predated metric tire sizing and modern 215s are an inch shorter than their '70s counterpart while the 225s are nearly a dead ringer for the old GR70-15.

    I checked this car against a GPS and the speedometer reads 2% high, so the bigger tires help in that respect as opposed to the 215s.
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    when I was tire shopping for the Conti I couldn't find whitewalls in anything I'd actually pay money for. It was all either stupid expensive Vogue or Coker repops or highly questionable unknown China tires. Ended up with Sumitomo blackwalls. Those wire spoke wheels would look better with whitewalls but at this point it will have to wait a few more years until these wear or age out.

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    Same issue I had with my Townie. Initially, I liked the black walls but now I wish I had white walls for that iconic look. No one made a tire that I was willing to buy.
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    Yeah, in recent years I've heard nothing good about Coker tires. I know someone with a Model T who got tires from England because apparently the Coker tires that fit those are just plain bad at any price.

    I had whitewalls on my Cutlass when I bought it, but the SS/II wheels just beg for white letters so I was going to switch regardless of availability. If I had the wire-spoke or even the plain hubcaps, it'd probably be different though. A bit sad that whitewalls are in such low demand that nobody reputable makes them anymore.
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    The heater core went bad last fall. I don't think my local shop wants to work on my stuff anymore, so I decided not to risk that and do it myself instead.

    Never again.

    Someone's been in here before. The upper mounting point was broken off the plenum, so two long screws were run through from the engine side. One is underneath the glob of sealant.
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    The plenum was a nightmare to get out. I had the all the dash bolts removed or loosened and I still thought I was going to break something getting it free.
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    The heater core still has a label on the bottom, so it can't have been that old. The maintenance records I have run from 1994 to 2010 (71K-120K miles, I bought it in 2014 at 132K) and there's no mention of a heater core replacement. Based on the number, it's a Vista-Pro which is also sold by AutoZone as a Duralast.
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    Since the plenum had been out before, I'd hoped that the blend door hinge would've been fixed already, but... no. The nightmare continues.
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    I just went through the same ordeal on my car, right down to the copper heater core. Although my blend doors were still intact until I foolishly played around with them and snapped both hinges. What a cheap, flimsy design from Ford.

    It's hard to really appreciate just how much space the HVAC ductwork takes up behind the dash until you've removed the heater plenum. Though if your car has manual temperature control you might at least be spared the further geometric agony of the temp blend door mounted to the top of the plenum.

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    At least living in a warm/hot climate has this as a benefit. Between myself and my friend, we have 4 cars and only one (mine) has a working heater core. Are the other cars going to be repaired? Not in this lifetime! This is one major pain in the ass to do.
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    Nice work getting in there. Doing it yourself is the only way of getting it done right at least in my opinion as this stuff is old and any old tech may not really care or know what is going on/how to do it. It is not fun but at least you are getting it done and not paying someone else to just mess it up.

    Ive been in mine twice for heater cores. Not yet since I put the restrictor in place though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutrova View Post
    I just went through the same ordeal on my car, right down to the copper heater core. Although my blend doors were still intact until I foolishly played around with them and snapped both hinges. What a cheap, flimsy design from Ford.

    It's hard to really appreciate just how much space the HVAC ductwork takes up behind the dash until you've removed the heater plenum. Though if your car has manual temperature control you might at least be spared the further geometric agony of the temp blend door mounted to the top of the plenum.
    Fortunately mine is a low-optioned base model - if that would've been on the top of the plenum, it'd've probably broke off during removal.

    Quote Originally Posted by friskyfrankie View Post
    At least living in a warm/hot climate has this as a benefit. Between myself and my friend, we have 4 cars and only one (mine) has a working heater core. Are the other cars going to be repaired? Not in this lifetime! This is one major pain in the ass to do.
    I thought this would be easier than most other cars because no part of the A/C system is affected and the dash theoretically doesn't need to come out. If it weren't for the broken door hinge in there I'd at least have it back together by now - I don't like the idea of having to drill out a couple dozen rivets to fix it but I can't see any other option.

    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    Nice work getting in there. Doing it yourself is the only way of getting it done right at least in my opinion as this stuff is old and any old tech may not really care or know what is going on/how to do it. It is not fun but at least you are getting it done and not paying someone else to just mess it up.

    Ive been in mine twice for heater cores. Not yet since I put the restrictor in place though!
    That was part of my concern. It's one thing to have a tech being rough with suspension or steering parts, but the interior is something else entirely in that respect.

    The new heater core has a flow restrictor already installed, the old one didn't. I'm hoping that helps keep this one intact for a good long time.
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    Got the vent door taken care of today. I used two 1 1/2" hinges (National P/N N146-043) and attached them on either side of the door "arm".

    Doing it the way I did has the benefit of being able to utilize two of the existing rivet holes, one on the door and one on the plenum, which helped with alignment. I had to omit a screw on the very bottom on the plenum side, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of force exerted on this so I don't think it'll be a problem. I filed away some material on the inside of the top half of the housing to accommodate the uppermost screw head, but overall this looks like it will work fine. Using 1" hinges might have been a better option though.

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    There is a gap at the top when the door is open, but it can't be any worse than having not fixed it.

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    I do wonder, however, how necessary this repair is, at least on a car with the manual HVAC and only the one door to be affected. There really isn't much room for the door to go anywhere besides where it's supposed to, so I'm not sure if the hinge breaking is [I]that[I] problematic. I never noticed any issues with air flow before. But, since I never want to have to pull this plenum out again, that isn't an experiment I want to run. This really wasn't that hard to do anyway (especially compared to the rest of the heater core job) which was a pleasant surprise.

    We're in for a week or more of 85-100░F temperatures here and the A/C in my truck is only marginally passable, so getting this car back on the road has become a priority, even if it costs me more in fuel.
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