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    #16
    speaking on the box side of things, and also think out loud.. doesnt the "run of the mill" big brake upgrade for boxes entail using newer spindles and control arms and such? if so, wouldnt the OP's setup be the same for a box? or am i confusing aero parts with whale parts?... again, thinking out loud.. bear with me
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      #17
      I suppose the question is surrounding the interoperability of the 03+ spindle with the 79-02 lower control arms and any ball joint (e.g. is there a lower ball joint that fits the lower arm, which can attach to the 03+ spindle), as well as some mixture of upper arm and ball joint allowing the same, as well as the outer tie rod end of the pre-rack & pinion setup being properly fitted and positioned relative to the newer spindle.

      It seems to me if the answer was an easy yes to all of the above then it would have been done ages ago.

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        #18
        The 03+ setup uses a front strut instead of separate coil over shock like the 79-02. Different control arms, different spindles, different wheel offset, racked peanuts steering instead of gearbox... the list probably goes on.

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          #19
          The 98-02 stuff is completely different than the 03+ stuff. Beyond the body mount locations, pretty much the entire frame is not the same, front and rear suspension are both different.

          98-02 stuff is not quite identical to box stuff, but its definitely of the same design and with a little bit of mix n match it can bolt to the old frame. Look under an 03+ and you may as well not even be looking under the same car.
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            #20
            Sorry if my post confused things. I know this site is more box-oriented but I figured there was enough '03+ folks reading to make the post.
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              #21
              Originally posted by a_d_a_m View Post
              Sorry if my post confused things. I know this site is more box-oriented but I figured there was enough '03+ folks reading to make the post.
              No problem... just seems some folks need clarification about just how different the newer cars are.

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                #22
                Originally posted by a_d_a_m View Post
                Sorry if my post confused things. I know this site is more box-oriented but I figured there was enough '03+ folks reading to make the post.
                Not at all buddy, just lamenting how much easier it is to upgrade the newer stuff vs. older, and what's available. Realistically the whale/aero stuff is probably a good enough improvement on original box garbage but i just want gooder, and also a complete kit instead a compilation of junk i have to scrape together. Oh well, get there someday.

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                  #23
                  I did find a while back brimbo made a kit for the front brakes on a 03 and up but price was around 4K maybe 3.5K discount
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                    #24
                    Just a thought but couldn’t someone just make custom brackets that attached to the 98-02 spindle to the say the vette or 03+ Brakes (or convert it to fit Mustag brakes). Because technically that what the big brake swap on the marauder is just custom brackets and bigger calipers and rotors

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                      #25
                      Zack did that on his Town Car.

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                        #26
                        No real reason you couldn't make a custom caliper bracket and use different rotors on a 98-02 arrangement. There is nothing magic in there, the stock bracket simply bolts on.
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                          #27
                          I wonder if any of the Jeep Cherokee 5x4.5 bolt pattern stuff fits or is any bigger/better since the rotors might fit on. I don't know about their calipers or pads or mounting depth/thickness, but the parts might be worth a look/comparison and could be a possibility.
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                            #28
                            Here's some interesting trivia I found looking up the front rotors over the years. The 03-11 are actually nearly half an inch smaller than the 98-02's we all love to swap on our boxes so much.
                            Couldn't find new thickness for them all, but could find the Discard Thickness. The 92-94 are the exact same as the 79-91's except not hubbed. The 07-14 GT500 rotors are nearly 2" larger than the stock 03-11.

                            79-91 - 11.08 DT - 0.972
                            92-94 - 11.08 DT - 0.972
                            95-97 - 11.45 DT - 0.974
                            98-02 - 12.44 DT - 1.014
                            03-11 - 12.015 DT - 1.037
                            GT500 - 13.976 DT - 1.181
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                              #29
                              I almost forgot.

                              They made me a set of these that will work on a 98-02 spindle.

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                                #30
                                Put a set of these on my Marquis
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