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    Heat will help you remove that stud. Might need to drill it out.

    Do I see a broken engine block where the starter mounts? Post #13. It looks like everything will work ok anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaywish View Post
    Do I see a broken engine block where the starter mounts? Post #13. It looks like everything will work ok anyway.
    opposite side of where the starter mounts, that was when i was prying the transmission free too. AND i was prying from the passenger side, not the driver side where the broken bit is.



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    On the 5.0 the bolts that bolt the manifold to the engine have all come out easy for me. This may be true for the 4.6, so removing the manifold (you'll want new bolts most likely) will make it easier to get the broken stud out with heat as mentioned. Dad took mine to the shop where he works and got mine out so I don't really have any first-hand advice. If removing the manifold is an option for you, that's my vote.
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    id pull the manifold do either drill or to replace. either way, every few hours as you work, or everyday, whatever is convenient, blast the hell out of the manifold bolts with PB, WD40, oil, whetever you got. but do it multiple times. and use heat when you can to help remove the bolt. heat the area surrounding the bolts not the bolts themselves. good luck man, glad to see an aero still on the road!
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    haven't been able to work on it since last friday, won't be able to see it until wednesday, guess all i've got left is finishing the brakes and exhaust issues.

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    gonna assume i'm gonna want to get a bolt and nut actually on there but i cannot get them off from the replacement transmission. i took off that part, let it soak in penetrating fluid for 24 hours, but nothing really happened. held it in a vice and took an impact to it, got the bolt free from that little part but no budge with the nut. It really looks stuck in there on both ends so I'm tempted to just leave it how it is. thoughts on that? Maybe take JB weld to it just to insure it doesn't break loose?


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    alrighty, got all of the big things on the car, crossmember, driveshaft, trans cooler lines. Still haven't put the starter on, I'll get to that tomorrow. I'll likely have it off of the lift tomorrow to move it to another part of the shop to start on the manifold. I can almost see it on the road now!

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    almost got it off of the lift friday, realized i never slid the linkage back on. and i guess i might have lost the new grommet? i had it with the rest of the new parts, i'll keep looking around for that. was going to use the old one but i couldn't get the linkage to slip over it to get it secure.


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    Good news! got the car to move under it's own power! Just gonna clean up a few things and make sure things won't fly off when i'm driving, finish the brakes, then probably take it to an exhaust shop to get my exhaust all buttoned up. But, it moves!

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    Nice! Always a good feeling when all you have left is the little stuff.
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    Congratulations! Nice work.

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    one thing that was apparent when it was taken for a short test drive was that the speedometer wasn't moving, i'll have to take a look at that tomorrow when i take it up again to fix the brake line. any thoughts? i plugged everything back in where it fit except for an O2 sensor but as far as i can tell, it's all hooked up.


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    Make sure the speed sensor is completely plugged in and bolted down. Also check fuses. I once, while working on my cluster, blew the fuse that the speedometer was on and didn't realize until I had already put my cluster back in and started driving. I'm not sure what else is on the same fuse, but probably something that is an easy check without driving.
    That's all I can think of at the moment.
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    found the culprit to the broken speedo, started on finishing the brakes today, any advice on the brake line from the MC to the rear?


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    The line from the master cylinder to the back is a fun one, but not all that bad. Just remember that both ends are metric with ISO Bubble Flares, not the "traditional" SAE inverted double flare. I prefer making bubble flares now that I have the correct tool, they are one easy step and come out correctly almost every time with the correct dies. That line is pretty much a straight shot down the frame rail, nothing complicated about actually running the line, just make sure its not going to rub against anything under there. Those lines on my Town Car (it has 2 front to back because ABS/Traction Control) were replaced prior to me buying it but whoever did it did a sloppy job where it runs up along the frame ahead of/above the LR wheel, they were rubbing against the body in a couple of spots and against the frame in another. So I re-did them from under the rear door back to both rear wheels myself when I replaced the rear brake hoses. I don't know if they would have ever rubbed thru before that car's time is up, but I did it for peace of mind while I had the system open anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankenstang View Post
    found the culprit to the broken speedo...
    That would certainly do it. Looks like a broken wire and a broken sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VicCrownVic View Post
    That would certainly do it. Looks like a broken wire and a broken sensor.
    the sensor is fine, the wire definitely is split there though.


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    That sensor is broken. The shaft and gear attached to it should not be able to stay in the transmission while the body of the sensor is pulled away. It might work, but its not in tact and would likely fall apart before long. Time for a new one. Also, good time to inspect the gear since you'll have it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMerc96 View Post
    Also, good time to inspect the gear since you'll have it out.
    the shaft was bent to hell. replaced the gear with the one that was in the old trans, that also came out separate to the sensor. i could replace that sensor with the one from the old trans too if that seems possible.


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    [QUOTE=frankenstang;826544that also came out separate to the sensor[/QUOTE]

    at least i believe so, i may be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankenstang View Post
    the shaft was bent to hell. replaced the gear with the one that was in the old trans, that also came out separate to the sensor. i could replace that sensor with the one from the old trans too if that seems possible.


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    Using the sensor from the other trans would be the best way to go, you already have it so might as well use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankenstang View Post
    that also came out separate to the sensor
    at least i believe so, i may be wrong.
    If the gear didn't come out attached to the sensor there is a clip missing that holds it to the sensor. If the clip is in the trans I don't know if it will cause a problem, or how much of a problem. Although maybe it would just be hanging out on the bottom of the tail shaft housing, out of the way. Those clips are not prone to working their way out of place, so I would be inclined to think someone lost it if it is indeed missing.
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