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    When I retired from "public service" I really did not want to deal with walking and talking people. Needed to detox from the public. I knew a couple of WM greeters. They upgraded to Id checker at Sam's club. Shoppers there are a better class of cretan they say.
    Now WM has "mask ambassadors". As you walk in, the person mumbles some drivel about CDC and asks you if you want a mask.

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    Hey it doesn't have to be loud to be awesome. A little tone is good. Congratulations on retirement. When I started, I could retire at 30 years. The state changed the rules and my age and experience now have to equal 90, which means I have to work 37 years to retire (25 more, screw that).
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    Wal-Mart wallet inspector FTW!!11!!!!!1111!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggie View Post
    Hey it doesn't have to be loud to be awesome. A little tone is good. Congratulations on retirement. When I started, I could retire at 30 years. The state changed the rules and my age and experience now have to equal 90, which means I have to work 37 years to retire (25 more, screw that).
    I really didn't want it loud, so I'm relieved. A lot of new cars with performance exhausts sound like noisemakers with sink drain pipes for exhaust. Their low compression and cam timing make it even worse...Example is a friend has a new Vette with the SLP loudmouth exhaust. I didn't want that. So I'm happy.

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    Wal-Mart wallet inspector FTW!!11!!!!!1111!!!
    These guys love razzing me with that. I told the last wildcat that was picking on me that the chances of me even going into a Wal-Mart is even less than seeing me here at work on October 2nd..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainemantom View Post
    When I retired from "public service" I really did not want to deal with walking and talking people. Needed to detox from the public. I knew a couple of WM greeters. They upgraded to Id checker at Sam's club. Shoppers there are a better class of cretan they say.
    Now WM has "mask ambassadors". As you walk in, the person mumbles some drivel about CDC and asks you if you want a mask.
    I can't imagine doing anything like that with the public. Nah.
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    Nice!

    I'm with you on the exhaust. I was not happy when I discovered that I couldn't fit the large-case Dynomax muffs I planned for the Crown Vic. But, I know I can make them work on my '05 MGM; and I have glasspacks to make it more-so quiet. I did the loud thing when I was a kid; I'm done with that.

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    So the 347 is in and alive. My first go-round with the Megasquirt PNP unit is all positive.
    It simply is plug and play, once the Box mounting differences are addressed.
    Despite the differences between Mustang and Crown Vic wiring and pins, the unit recognized and just adapted.
    My original O2 sensors were unplugged and the ends of the harness were wrapped in black tape and then heat shrunk and tucked. Nothing chopped.
    The O2 sensor provided with the PE wideband was wired to the provided plug at pin #21 I think(?) and once it was plugged in, all was good.
    The Tunerstudio program is way beyond what I expected in terms of control, and I have no doubt that once I get all Sherries bugs worked out, it will be ideal.
    Looking forward, I anticipate the addition of a period correct Paxton will not be a big change in programming.
    I'll find one new in the box from the early 90s somewhere and let it happen.
    After I get the tune straight and the car cleaned up, I'll post a bunch of pictures for your visual stimulation.
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    Update on my 347 transplant into Sherrie.
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    So far I'm pretty damn happy... Had garage beers with a good friend who convinced me to do the EGR delete. Once I get it running right...perfectly...I'll add it and see the difference.

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    I'll be adding another secret snorkel. I had a vacuum leak that made the Megasquirt MAP think I was tapping the brake booster for a signal. Obviously I wasn't.
    Turned out after borrowing a friends smoke machine (if you haven't ever used one..they are the cats nuts!!) my line feeding the cruise control had a split in it. new line, no more leaky leak.

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    Took this one with the flash to show the headers and plug wires for everyone considering the BBK unequal length shorties.
    They come REALLY close to the heater box and made my insulation smoke.!!!! I made some gentle but firm adjustments to the box while it was warm and gained enough room to fix the problem. Aside from these dastardly things coming loose 3 times before they stayed tight..... I like them. I'd buy them and use them again.

    My next update will be the 3G swap.

    Now I've gotta clean up my parts pile. What should I do with a complete unhurt 1986 302 that has 91K miles on it..?
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    Find a box panther with a toast engine and swap it in and make it a daily.
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    Looks minty in there.

    I second what David said. Could also be worth maybe $600? Less junk is better, unless you have nearly unlimited capacity.
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    Rebuild the short block and slap on some EBay aluminum heads; perhaps a B-cam; Comp Cam 274HR; or a Anderson N41; find a Ranger with a toasted 4.0 and swap it in?

    How's that ported intake working? I have been curious about how they perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packman View Post
    How's that ported intake working? I have been curious about how they perform.
    I've built a mutt kinda. The 347 by design and with my cam should be strong in the 2K to 5500 range. It is.
    I'll echo a sentiment I've read on here a hundred times.
    Nothing replaces the off idle grunt of the stock setup.
    I'm dialing in this Megasquirt a little more each day. I'm at 59 miles right now, so we're good and broke-in. I'll give a full opinion on the EGR explorer porting from Big Dogs and the whole experience after it's tuned more. I can't get it to just...launch. It falls on it's face 2 or 3 times from excessive lean...then goes like hell.
    the silverfox valve body and locking out OD makes this thing a weapon on the highway. YOWZA..
    More to follow.
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    Hope everyone's Christmas was stellar.

    Sorted out the Megasquirt and it's working well. Idle timing is too high for my liking at 17 degrees, but I'll get it down as far as the engine will allow.
    It starts clean from cold to a 1200 RPM idle until it reaches 120 degrees then steps down 100 RPM every 10 degrees until it's at 750 RPM above 160 degrees. Getting the after-start enrichment right may never be finished. We'll see.

    The magic VE number for this engine is 53 when it is idling on the IAC. Anything other than that, and it hunts a bit.
    Needless to say, I'm learning A LOT about how awesome Megasquirt is. Imagine total control of everything your engine does and still being able to be a mechanic when you work on your car. Unlike other easier to use systems that are very effective, this one still requires thought as opposed to selecting a different curve (fuel/timing/VE) that might work better.
    Big Dogs porting in a nutshell.
    His work has proven to be well thought out and effective for me. I'd do it again in a second. The finish of the porting is excellent, and his paint work is seriously tough stuff. He sent me a ported spacer just in case... AFTER I was neck deep in the project, and I didn't need it. Tony actually checked in with me afterwards to see how it was going and connected me with one of his tuners for advice on making this work right. That kinda stuff makes it worth even more to me. I'll use him again.

    My current dilemna is HVAC related and Hopefully next week I'll sort it out.
    I removed the original MAP, air pump, and EGR, and accompanying vacuum lines. I put a new A/C compressor on. Vacuumed and put almost 3 lbs of freon in it (I can't remember exactly what it called for). Right now, I have heat on the windshield that I can't turn to another setting. The fan speed can be adjusted but that's it.
    This cam is not producing as much vacuum as the system is designed for, and I'm thinking that might be a factor.
    So, that's where I'm at.
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    Here is a site that lists not only the Freon caps but also the oil caps. CV specs stop at '87 but I have to believe it is pretty close. Hope it helps ya!

    https://www.techchoiceparts.com/refr...apacities/ford

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    That table is for R12 not R134a, so the amount will be different. The way I charge ac I start with X amount of refrigerant, then add more based on discharge temps. Easy peasy.

    As for the stuck on defrost thing, if you have a hand vacuum pump and test the blend door actuators. My bet is on a leak somewhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 87GrandMarq View Post
    That table is for R12 not R134a, so the amount will be different. The way I charge ac I start with X amount of refrigerant, then add more based on discharge temps. Easy peasy.

    As for the stuck on defrost thing, if you have a hand vacuum pump and test the blend door actuators. My bet is on a leak somewhere.


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    Sorry - forgot you were doing the conversion but some folks may still be using R-12 or an equivalent so maybe it can help someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friskyfrankie View Post
    Sorry - forgot you were doing the conversion but some folks may still be using R-12 or an equivalent so maybe it can help someone else?
    You were trying to help, no harm in that at all. Itíll definitely come in handy to someone.


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    17 degrees at idle is probably not unreasonable if thats with computer-controlled timing advance. The stock EEC has idle timing somewhere near 20 BTDC when its allowed to control things.


    Hot defrost means you have no vacuum supply to the HVAC control head. Those lines come out of the middle of the firewall. One went to the check valve on the vacuum tree, the other went to the thermal blower lockout. If you don't have the TBL, you have to seal those lines off or its just a wide open vacuum leak. On the check valve, its got 2 connections. One to the line going in the dash, the other to the soup can. Both of those must be connected and the soup can has to not leak or it won't work either. And the tree has to have vacuum of course. If you've got more than about 10 inches it should function, even if it doesn't function perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    17 degrees at idle is probably not unreasonable if thats with computer-controlled timing advance. The stock EEC has idle timing somewhere near 20 BTDC when its allowed to control things.


    Hot defrost means you have no vacuum supply to the HVAC control head. Those lines come out of the middle of the firewall. One went to the check valve on the vacuum tree, the other went to the thermal blower lockout. If you don't have the TBL, you have to seal those lines off or its just a wide open vacuum leak. On the check valve, its got 2 connections. One to the line going in the dash, the other to the soup can. Both of those must be connected and the soup can has to not leak or it won't work either. And the tree has to have vacuum of course. If you've got more than about 10 inches it should function, even if it doesn't function perfectly.
    Happy New Year everyone.

    My thinking on the 17 degrees versus the 20 it was at... is purely seat of the pants. It just feels like it's "working" at idle. When it's hot the starter struggles too, so the 17 seems to be a happy place. Maybe we'll go to 18 degrees and give 'er a go..

    The TBL and those lines will get another thorough once over. The smoke machine said I had no leaks on the engine side, so maybe we'll try that on the HVAC side of the firewall and watch for some puffs..LOL..

    It's been converted to 134 Frankie. Appreciate the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clutch47 View Post
    Happy New Year everyone.

    My thinking on the 17 degrees versus the 20 it was at... is purely seat of the pants. It just feels like it's "working" at idle. When it's hot the starter struggles too, so the 17 seems to be a happy place. Maybe we'll go to 18 degrees and give 'er a go..

    The TBL and those lines will get another thorough once over. The smoke machine said I had no leaks on the engine side, so maybe we'll try that on the HVAC side of the firewall and watch for some puffs..LOL..

    It's been converted to 134 Frankie. Appreciate the link.
    No problem - R-134 will have somewhat different numbers but for those still with R-12 (as I have in my '93 GM) the link is extremely helpful. Have thought about the conversion but it works so well now I hate to tinker with it. Click image for larger version. 

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