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    Default In the market for a wagon

    I'm in the Portland, OR area and looking to make some poor decisions. I've got a fairly fleshed out plan for dropping a 408W and MS3 Utimate into a Colony Park (Preferably an 86-87) in pursuit of a killer sleeper/cruising machine. As I cruise the classifieds and their limited offerings in this field I have found a not bad '87 CV wagon. My question is this, what were the standard/optional differences between a same year Colony Park and CV wagon? I would really prefer a Colony Park in red (Stranger Things...) but could be convinced into a CV if the equipment is the same.


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    Vics are generally lower optioned but can be had with the same stuff as Mercury. I noticed vics can have less sound reading material compared to mercury.
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    A few months ago a picked up a black and red 88 CS out of the Seattle area. It's got every option offered including wing windows and the insta clear windshield. The Pacific NW is a good place to find them you just need to be patient. I found that the panels in the back tend to fade as they've aged with the red and blue interiors. The tan panels tend to look better over time. The wood trim on the CP's tend to hold up better than the CS.


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    “Wood” wagons are generally well equipped whether they be Ford or Mercury. They were the most expensive as base models within their Ford or Mercury line. What’s a few extra thousand for options when you were forking out 20K in 1987? That said, both of my wagons (no wood 88 and “wooden” 90) are both strippers and they are still oodles more comfortable, quiet, and smooth than any of my other stuff.

    Find one you like. If you have your heart set on a CP, wait and one will come. Patience. I would also like an 86-87 CP!
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    I appreciate the tips, I have been eyeing this one down in the Bay Area https://monterey.craigslist.org/cto/...960180517.html but it looks like it is vinyl seats despite the rest of the options.
    Is there a list of options somewhere I could use to check a vehicle?

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    http://oldcarbrochures.org/United%20...ria-16-17.html

    On your link: That would be the second car I’ve seen with vinyl and a leather wrap wheel this month - quite unusual. That one appears to have a good selection of options. Turbine wheels, tripminder, cruise/tilt with the leather wrap, looks like premium sound, power antenna, illuminated entry, ditch lights, ATC, and the all important jump seats. Likely has power windows/locks/mirrors.

    The vinyl seats are an odd standout. The jump seats only came in vinyl regardless of main seating material choice, and I see quite a few vinyl seat wagons. Certainly matches better with one consistent material throughout.

    Big options missing: tow package. Possibly missing: auto load leveling suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggie View Post
    Possibly missing: auto load leveling suspension.
    Given the other premium features, someone may have checked that box. I was surprised mine had it (while being inop) since it was non-tow package, but did have a 3.27 open rear vs 3.08.

    I wonder though if itíd be worth the trouble of trying to get it working again and if thereís any benefits on ride quality. The cargo springs do ride like a light truck unloaded.


    @OP: Itís certainly a nice wagon. Iím a fan of options, and that one is well set up. Shame it doesnít have any vent windows, but they can be swapped in if you find a donor car. Theyíre quite nice for pleasant days where the A/C isnít needed.
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    Best way to compare is get a couple of sales brochures on Ebay for the years you are wanting. Keeping in mind the selection is limited now and condition is more important than options.

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    I would really like to get something in nit vinyl amd not white...
    Big Kudos on that brochure page, very informative.
    As a buyer of classic Rovers and Jaaaaags (required spelling) I am familiar with buying for condition over miles or options. Was the auto load levelling package an air suspension system or a clever self levelling shock like the early Range Rovers?

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    Load leveling in the Boxes was rear air shocks and coil springs. Very simple system that used a basic controller, a ride height sensor, a compressor, and the shocks. Car too low? Add air. Car too high? Release air. No voodoo magic there.

    ‘92+ cars did offer load leveling air suspension (air springs and conventional shocks) on certain trims. Principle was similar to the Boxes, but there was extras used in the system that controlled those to also improve handling with the air springs to firm them up under quick maneuvering. Otherwise, a generally robust system if maintained properly.

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    I've looked at the wagon in Monterey. I looked it over and am about to go for a test drive and the guy tells me that the tranny is slipping going into OD. I pop the hood open and see that the TV bushing is gone and the end of the cable block is just hanging there. I told him about the bushing and how critical it is. Sent him some links once I got home. I wrapped the block back into the throttle plate as best I could with some duck tape. The guy has had it for about a year and has all the receipts from the previous owner. One of which indicates that the tranny has been rebuilt. It is well optioned but does not have the load leveling or tow package. It's over priced I feel it should be $3000 +/- $500 and that is if the tranny is okay once the bushing is installed. If OP wants to IM me I can tell him more about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tikitiki65 View Post
    I've looked at the wagon in Monterey. I looked it over and am about to go for a test drive and the guy tells me that the tranny is slipping going into OD. I pop the hood open and see that the TV bushing is gone and the end of the cable block is just hanging there. I told him about the bushing and how critical it is. Sent him some links once I got home. I wrapped the block back into the throttle plate as best I could with some duck tape. The guy has had it for about a year and has all the receipts from the previous owner. One of which indicates that the tranny has been rebuilt. It is well optioned but does not have the load leveling or tow package. It's over priced I feel it should be $3000 +/- $500 and that is if the tranny is okay once the bushing is installed. If OP wants to IM me I can tell him more about it.

    Cool. Were you also interested in it?

    Tough call on the transmission. Even though it was rebuilt does not mean it is good anymore after your findings. It be difficult to decide forking over that amount of cash with that knowledge in the back if your head.
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    Don't buy the first wagon you see. Be patient and find a good one at a price that you can afford.
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    Well I joined the club and got this minty '86 CS. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Ford-C...72.m2749.l2649
    Was able to get it for 5k, shipping to Oregon should be about 1300. Not bad for a fairly well optioned 73k mile wagon.

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    Dude, nice! Well optioned, great score.
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    I was one of the watchers on eBay. Glad it’s going to a good home.

    I think most will suggest you upgrade to a 3G. Don’t want that 2G to smoke like mine did two weeks ago! And it looks like someone got into some custom wiring in that area - worthy of an inspection upon arrival.
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    I previously did a 3G on my '93 F150 so that is an easy fix. Next is saving up the cash for my 408/4R70W project with full MegaSquirt 3 Ultimate controls. 550hp/tq with a stock looking engine bay.

    Should be fun and embarrass a few of the expensive exotics my friend works on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggie View Post
    I was one of the watchers on eBay. Glad itís going to a good home.

    I think most will suggest you upgrade to a 3G. Donít want that 2G to smoke like mine did two weeks ago! And it looks like someone got into some custom wiring in that area - worthy of an inspection upon arrival.
    Also don't want the 2G fan to chunk apart and make neat vent holes in your hood...







    http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post831076

    Although I suppose some hood insulation could have helped, and I've never seen that happen to anyone else.
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    Cool. I was looking at that one too.
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