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    I think '80 or '81 was the end of the C4 in these. They weren't around for very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    I think '80 or '81 was the end of the C4 in these. They weren't around for very long.
    Oh yeah, that's right, I've read that in various places. Brain fart! I'll probably be keeping mine for the time being anyhow. I certainly wouldn't switch to a C4 if it wasn't already so-equipped!

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    My 79 tudor had a case fill c4, a 79 parts wagon I have has a pan fill c4 w/ 351w. No idea if it is originally that or not.
    When I took the jasper rebuilt 302 from the tudor to do mild H/C/I and put in a 84 wagon with an AOD I had to use the C4 flex plate with the AOD because it was a 28oz motor not a 50oz motor like I pulled from the 84.

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    oh yeah, early block vs late block balance change.

    I'm really not much for 3 speeds. Either its screaming on the highway or it sucks off the line. Or its kind of lousy in both conditions. 2 speeds are even worse, though they're just terrible all the time. More than 6 speeds and it seems like the transmission never stops shifting though, so there is a happy number of gears where things work well without being annoying.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    Progress!

    I got the cam, timing chain, lifters+retainer, 1 head, rocker studs, and rockers installed. I also checked/degreed the cam. Everything was spot on so no adjustments needed. Next I'll be measuring pushrod length. Once I get the pushrods i can check PTV clearance (which I'm not worried about based on others experience with far more radical setups than mine).

    It will be a sin to put these rockers under a valve cover
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    wad of clay and an engine rotation is cheap peace of mind tho. Mostly its long duration cams that will cause you problems, not so much total lift. The valves are closing as the piston is coming up the bore.

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    Very good. Glad you used the degree wheel to check. Don’t make my mistake!
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    Don’t worry Gadget, I’ll definitely check it!

    Tiggie- it’s always easy to make a mistake like that, plus you never know if the timing gear factory had a bad day with is machinery, or the custom cam was ground wrong! Kind of an expensive way to check, but now I have a dial indicator for other projects
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    I've never actually used a degree wheel, though I probably should have when I changed the cam in my car. Then again I also wasn't 100% sure the valve springs or the p2v clearance was going to be OK. basically I stuck it together, cranked the engine over by hand and sent it when nothing went "bonk".

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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

    1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

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    I bought a degree wheel kit for my engine build...read the instructions and just didn't bother. Its somewhere in the garage for future use.
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    Got my pushrods measured. The Intake and exhaust are slightly different sizes. Triple checked in all different ways. Seems most places are out of trick flow or comp cam pushrods. Going to give this company a try: https://www.pushrods.net/one-piece-pushrods
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    just make sure they use the same measurement system. I made my own adjustable that measured total length and found out that Comp's measuring system is from the centerline of the ball end, not end to end like you'd get from a caliper. There was only a few thousandths difference among the 16 valves, not enough to matter. Amusingly the new pushrods were the inconsistent part, longest to shortest was about .020 different and I have different shims under each rocker depending on what specific pushrod went in there. If I ever pull them out I will have to lay them out to go back in the same hole. The factory rods were much more consistent.


    if yours is consistently different I to E I'd guess the valve stem lengths aren't the same. Could probably lay a straight edge across them and see that.

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    From what i read it is common with trickflow heads, due to the different angles the I and E valves are on.

    Finally got my pushrods! I ended up using a comp cams checker and mailed it to them so they could confirm dimensions. The company was amazing to work with, and readily answered all my questions. I highly recommend them for anyone looking for some nice pushrods.

    Got the other head on, made a solid lifter from an old one, and clay'd it. Didn't even make a mark, GOBS of PTV clearance. I'm basically at the point where I will need to pull the old engine to swap things over... I'll post about that in my reader rides thread when that happens, which will be soon.

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    Damn, that's bitchin', Brown_Muscle!!! We'll have to arrange a meet-up at Rockingham when we get our respective 351W builds done (mine Edelbrock RPM non-trick heads) and line them up!!! I'm betting your high-tech approach wins out over my sleaze factor, but you never know... I'm building this one loosey-goosey!!!!! ;-)

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    Thanks! Always wanted to do a bitchin’ build haha. Yeah that’d be sweet, I really hope she’ll be in the 13’s, but to be honest I have no idea
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    From the looks of things and your combination, I would be surprised if you're not solidly in the 13's at minimum. I'm going a bit more radical with the cam and loose converter and perhaps some unnatural aspiration eventually - I'm not stopping @ 13's. You're going to have an excellent street/strip car. Me, I'm just going to see how fast I can go on a mostly stock bottom end before scattering parts! ;-)

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    That's always fun! my build is definitely more conservative. I'd love to get it on a dyno once all is said and done. The AOD is a power sucker, so I wouldnt be surprised if it was around 320 RWHP. Thinking 400-425 at the crank
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    Comp cams has a dyno program you can download for free. Find airflow stats on your heads and you can get a good approximate horsepower. It's based off the dyno 2000 computer program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazerbeans View Post
    Comp cams has a dyno program you can download for free. Find airflow stats on your heads and you can get a good approximate horsepower. It's based off the dyno 2000 computer program.
    Do you have a link? All the links i found for them are dead. Maybe they removed it?
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    I'm looking for an aftermarket heater core hose pipe. Will this work: https://www.jegs.com/i/Scott+Drake/2...599-A/10002/-1

    It has a restrictor built in, is it correct that coolant flows from the intake into the heater core??
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