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    #31
    Picking up the engine from my buddy Nicks august 5th. Machine shop said to disassemble it and bring it down. Here's what i'm looking at for bearings and piston rings:

    Bi-Metal mains: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/k...05si/make/ford
    Bi-Metal Rods: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/k...14si/make/ford
    Ductile iron plasma-moly coated rings: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/HSN-2M4346

    Any thoughts on these parts? Much research pointed toward the bi-metal bearings of this type as opposed to the tri-metal.
    I also should have enough money for the cam and heads, but I need to see how much the machine shop cost me first.

    Also, any roller rockers I should stay away from? Lots of options out there, and tons of used ones for sale
    Last edited by Brown_Muscle; 07-26-2020, 12:58 PM.
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    +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

    +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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      #32
      always been told iron rings are what you want for standard N/A engines
      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
      5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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        #33
        Cast or ductile? I know the cast ones are supposed to be quite weak, so that’s why I want to go with ductile
        -Phil

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        +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

        +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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          #34
          either should be fine, point being you don't need chrome or moly rings. Cast iron is really only weak if you try to bend it, which it doesn't do in an engine unless something has gone really wrong anyway. Ductile will bend more than cast iron will.
          86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
          5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

          91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

          1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

          Originally posted by phayzer5
          I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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            #35
            I dropped the block off to the machine shop about 2 months or so ago. It's getting bored .30 over, forged 12CC pistons, smaller 1.5/1.5/3mm plasma-moly rings. Having it zero decked (actually .005 in the hole) so that i'll have proper quench to avoid pinging. (should be .044 with a .039 felpro head gasket). Hopefully the rods and everything else will check out OK.

            Final compression ratio with the 66CC trickflow 190 11r's should be about 9.5:1, and with the aluminum heads and a good tune will run on 87 just fine. I have to see how much money i have left after the machine shop costs, I'd like to get started on the trans build as well. It'd be awesome to have this all ready to go in by the spring. (someone, somewhere is laughing at this timeline)
            -Phil

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            +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

            +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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              #36
              I swear by ductile rings, Brown_Muscle, not sure if that's what you went with.
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                #37
                Yes top rings are ductile, plasma-moly coated.

                Block was decked .005 in the hole, crank bore line honed, rods re-bored/honed, rotating assembly was dynamically balanced. I assembled the rotating assembly and cam. It's all ready for the heads, and to degree the cam (as necessary)

                I found out I can use the coolant crossover pipe for the heater core from a mustang, so I'm going to do that to neaten things up.

                Also sometime this spring getting a Wide-Ratio AOD from another member on here and beefing it up a bit.
                -Phil

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                +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

                +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Brown_Muscle View Post
                  Also sometime this spring getting a Wide-Ratio AOD from another member on here and beefing it up a bit.
                  I remember we talked about this, but I don't remember - do you have a C4 now? If so, please let me (us!) know how everything goes and what you have to change as far as things that don't bolt right up. Of course if I make the change, I'm going with a full-manual valve body, so I don't have to worry about backshifting into low, etc.
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                    #39
                    Just a regular AOD with a shift kit. Served me well for many years
                    -Phil

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                    +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

                    +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Brown_Muscle View Post
                      Just a regular AOD with a shift kit. Served me well for many years
                      OK, so you're just going from one AOD to a different AOD. Gotcha.
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                        #41
                        I think '80 or '81 was the end of the C4 in these. They weren't around for very long.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by gadget73 View Post
                          I think '80 or '81 was the end of the C4 in these. They weren't around for very long.
                          Oh yeah, that's right, I've read that in various places. Brain fart! I'll probably be keeping mine for the time being anyhow. I certainly wouldn't switch to a C4 if it wasn't already so-equipped!
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                            #43
                            My 79 tudor had a case fill c4, a 79 parts wagon I have has a pan fill c4 w/ 351w. No idea if it is originally that or not.
                            When I took the jasper rebuilt 302 from the tudor to do mild H/C/I and put in a 84 wagon with an AOD I had to use the C4 flex plate with the AOD because it was a 28oz motor not a 50oz motor like I pulled from the 84.

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                              #44
                              oh yeah, early block vs late block balance change.

                              I'm really not much for 3 speeds. Either its screaming on the highway or it sucks off the line. Or its kind of lousy in both conditions. 2 speeds are even worse, though they're just terrible all the time. More than 6 speeds and it seems like the transmission never stops shifting though, so there is a happy number of gears where things work well without being annoying.
                              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                              Originally posted by phayzer5
                              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

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                                #45
                                Progress!

                                I got the cam, timing chain, lifters+retainer, 1 head, rocker studs, and rockers installed. I also checked/degreed the cam. Everything was spot on so no adjustments needed. Next I'll be measuring pushrod length. Once I get the pushrods i can check PTV clearance (which I'm not worried about based on others experience with far more radical setups than mine).

                                It will be a sin to put these rockers under a valve cover
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                                Last edited by Brown_Muscle; 01-19-2021, 07:24 PM.
                                -Phil

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                                +1982 Ford LTD-S Police Car. Built 351w, Trickflow 11R 190 Heads, Holley Sniper EFI, RPM Intake+ Hyperspark dizzy, WR-AOD, Full exhaust headers to tails. 3.27 Trac-Lok Rear. Aluminum Police Driveshaft. Speedway Springs+Bilstein Shocks, Intermediate Brakes, HPP Steering Box.

                                +2003 Acura CL Type S 6-speed

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