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    Ive been running it without a belt because it keeps throwing it. I just got my other car back from the dealer so I can park this one and slowly work on it. Ill look into pulling the clutch apart.

    The thing is its always looked off even whenever I first installed it. But it didnt give me any issues for months until one day it started squealing really bad then it threw the belt. Yes I see the shred of belt but the pulley has always been like that so I doubt the belt did that. I swear though that the belt didnt ride that close to the edge of the tensioner pulley though.

    Also I tried rerouting it like Koda’s but my belt is too short. The tensioner is maxed out and it still doesnt want to go on. And as far as the compressor goes it looks like an older style one like the one on my 85 ltd, not like the one Koda has. Like I said the po of my 87 was trying to turn it into a racecar so a bunch of stuff was missing however Im using stock components so Im surprised Im having issues. The compressor bracket was in place so I doubt thats the issue and the compressor is bolted in on all but the front left side so I doubt thats the issue too. Does anyone know of where I can buy a cheap one to mock up? Can I swap to an 88+ compressor with the 87 refrigerant lines?


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    IIRC what Nick told me, to run the later stuff, you'd have to change the hoses since the manifold on the compressor is different.

    I want to say the belt I'm using is a K060563 belt. You can typically find some variation of that belt number at most parts stores. A little tight, but I got it in place. I might suggest trying that first, then futzing with the pulleys.

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    Im running a 560k6 belt right now, Ive been thinking about trying a longer belt thanks. Ive also noticed that the pulley itself seems further forward than most compressors Ive seen pictures of. If thats what you guys were talking about then Im sorry for not listening lol. What can cause that? It doesnt move but I guess the pulley could be loose or not fully seated. Anyone have a good article for taking these things apart?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 87GrandMarq View Post
    Im running a 560k6 belt right now, Ive been thinking about trying a longer belt thanks. Ive also noticed that the pulley itself seems further forward than most compressors Ive seen pictures of. If thats what you guys were talking about then Im sorry for not listening lol. What can cause that? It doesnt move but I guess the pulley could be loose or not fully seated. Anyone have a good article for taking these things apart?


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    Normally when removing the clutch you just remove the nut or bolt in the center and use a special threaded puller to remove the disk being careful not to loose the spacer shims-washers behind the disk that sometimes get stuck inside the disk where the stud or bolt goes through.

    After this there is normally just a snap ring that holds the bearing- hub assembly on ( which if anything is wrong in there it should be obvious)on some clutches especially if your not worried about ruining the clutch you can get two straight screwdrivers in there to gently pry off the clutch disk. yet I have only done that a few times when I was too lazy to remove something that would get in the way of using the puller tool. and even then it only worked on a handful of clutches that were shot anyways.

    I think you will find incompatible parts and something terribly wrong with the clutch and or compressor from the wrong parts getting installed.
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    Hmm Ill have to tear it down now. I bet youre right about improper parts being installed.


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    Looks like an FS6 with the early style clutch, which is what I'd expect to see. The later style clutch is the one with the 3 "pucks" on the front, but its the same compressor. The compressor changed in 89, but the line connections also changed so its not really possible to put a late compressor on and connect it. The very earliest one used a big Frigidaire pump with a V belt drive, which is also not possible to accidentally fit. Basically you get the pump that fits, or nothing else is going in that hole and hooking up without custom lines and brackets.

    These are some pics of my Towncar with that same compressor and clutch, and some pics of what the clutch assembly actually looks like off the compressor.
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    Thanks for posting those pics gadget. Can you do me a favor and measure from the compressor housing to the back of the pulley? Mine seems to be further away from the compressor body than yours and others Ive seen on the internet.


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    I finally had time to tear into the compressor and found the snap ring to be in place and no movement in the pulley. So I got a new belt and rerouted it the way Wolf has his. Its better but now the other side of the belt is moving way too much. I put all my weight on the tensioner before tightening the bolt that holds the actual tensioner. The smaller bolt to set the tensioner is long gone but I think I might know what size and pitch it is. It doesnt move without it but I think itll eventually start loosening without it. When I had the belt routed the other way I couldnt even use a bolt there as the tensioner was bottomed out past the slit using a 560k6 belt. Anyway Im going to get that bolt and try to put more tension on it. I think if I drove it the way it is itll eventually jump again.


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    Holy cannoli that belt is too loose. That’s how mine looked before I really put some tension on it. You really do need that other bolt, otherwise you’ll throw something apart.

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    Ill try to get one tomorrow but its sitting in the meantime anyway.


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    yeah thats not supposed to flap like that. and it definitely needs both bolts.

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    Do you guys know off hand what size it is? I have one close that I can use as reference otherwise.


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    offhand I don't know, but it is metric. Guessing its an M10, probably around 30-35mm long.

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    Thanks, Ill look tomorrow. I was supposed to today but I got caught up doing other things.


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