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    Default Legal Issues & My Intake Manifold | 1998 MGM | Class Action Replacement

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    I'm back and my mechanic is going to remove my 'stuck' ( the key was lost/ misplaced ) wheel nut locks this week using his own special technique, so to be continued on that issue. The reason I am writing this tonight is I may forget it in the construction noise here tomorrow. Briefy, I noticed online that Ford / Lincoln Mercury has a legal action ( class action lawsuit ) against them regarding the use of defective and leaky composite intake manifolds. I did email one legal firm about mine but never received an email or phone call.

    How do I approach this and can I at this point? My 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis is cracked and leaking ( materials failure ) and needs to be replaced vs. patched with sealers & J&B weld etc. Can you recommend a course of action if I still have one? I'm on the back side of San Francisco Bay in that University Town. Has anyone ever done this and if so how do I being this process? I know the lawyers are wealthy but us owners are frequently lost in the dust.

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    That class action settlement was completed in 2005. Ford extended coverage on the intakes for up to seven years after the initial purchase of the vehicle. In both instances, there’s no recourse for anyone except doing a intake manifold replacement. That whole debacle covered the original, all plastic coolant crossover design. The replacement design had an aluminum coolant passage.

    If you can, get a Ford replacement intake versus a Dorman one. The quality of the materials are much better.

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    [submitted 2 minutes late] =-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodachrome Wolf View Post
    That class action settlement was completed in 2005. Ford extended coverage on the intakes for up to seven years after the initial purchase of the vehicle. In both instances, there’s no recourse for anyone except doing a intake manifold replacement. That whole debacle covered the original, all plastic coolant crossover design. The replacement design had an aluminum coolant passage.

    If you can, get a Ford replacement intake versus a Dorman one. The quality of the materials are much better.

    X2 on the Ford replacement. And DO NOT buy any of the $100 dollar ones on E-BAY. If your hardware is questionable, but it directly from Ford. I just did the intake, and hardware on my 2010 Town Car. While I was in there, I also did the heater pipes, and hoses, along with the water pump, T-stat, and housing. You can only access the main heater pipe while the intake is out, so even if it looks good, it's cheap insurance just to replace it, and the block connector.

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    Whoa! This just in from the Ford dealership in Napa CA. She looked up my car via my VIN # and told me that the replacement intake manifold that replaced that old one has been discontinued. She had no idea of how long. Is there another option vs. the plastic cheap things?

    _Hacksaw

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    This was sort of the conclusion that we had come to in a somewhat recent thread (the non-PI intake has been discontinued).

    One option would be to install the PI intake like I did on my '98 MGM when I replaced the factory intake last year. One problem with this is if you do not do it yourself it's difficult to find someone who will because it's not a direct replacement. Some info on the kit I bought: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...l=1#post841172 and you would have to buy the heater tube for a 2001+ (the one I ordered, I believe I looked up 2009 on RockAuto.)
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    F8AZ-9424-AAA was the part number for the replacement suite for the nPI intake. It includes the revised aluminum crossover along with the replacement bracketry for the alternator.

    Now if any of the dealers can find it for you, that's a good guess.

    The PI intake manifold can be swapped on like VicCrownVic said, but does require a few minor modifications to get fitted properly. However, it does offer a bit more "oompf" compared to the factory intake.

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    This just came up for $65. used ( new in the used box ) on Amazon. Think it will work? Be good to have this when the time arrives and the sealers no longer work.

    Just thinking ahead here: https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Therm...+Grand+Marquis

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Hacksaw View Post
    This just came up for $65. used ( new in the used box ) on Amazon. Think it will work? Be good to have this when the time arrives and the sealers no longer work.

    Just thinking ahead here: https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Therm...+Grand+Marquis
    Cheapie Dorman clone. You can use it, just keep an eye on it. Some folks have had issues getting them to seal properly around some of the intake ports.

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    Well just to make 100% certain that I have a quality replacement, I just ordered this critter for $70.00 + with shipping included and it will arrive Friday so I can just store it and then collect any and all information on what needed when it's time arrives to replace this guy. I'll need a second pair of hands due to my terrible back and this inflammatory arthritis etc. but it can be dome with extreme patience and careful disassembly etc. Maybe this spring? In California that means January Damn that beautiful MGM and the Colony Park that the Kodachrome Wolf has? It's almost not fair

    I'l be sure to obtain the *best* intake gasket made on planet earth for this thing and hope that all will be well with all of the rest of this vehicle, however as with all human relationships, there is always the element of the unforeseen and unpredictable.

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    No gasket required for the Dorman intake you linked to on Amazon. It has built in gasket/o-ring things.



    As for the procedure, it definitely would suck with a bad back. Lots of leaning over fenders taking stuff apart.
    Some people say that this is an all weekend/few day job. It took me 9 hours with help, but I also was doing some modification (PI intake install) and waiting for RTV to (partially) cure that you will not have to do.
    The job is basically a big puzzle. Just take things apart and try to remember how it goes back together. Sometimes I had to take things apart again because there was a certain order that the brackets went on. You need to removed the windshield wiper cowl to gain access to much of the bolts and connections on the back of the engine. The most frustrating part for me was the stupid bracket(s?) on the rear driver side of the engine. I had that stupid thing on and off a few times because there a couple of brackets there and the order the go back on should be the same as they came off, but I may have forgotten what order they came off or that one was even there.

    If your top alternator bracket does not line up right, you may need to drill new holes in it to line up with the bolts.

    Ordering new fuel injector o-rings would be a good idea. https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/.../+o-ring,13679

    Also new o-rings for the heater tube at the front of the engine if you want to replace them would be worth doing. Those o-rings don't seem to be sold separately, but if you grab a box of assorted o-rings it will likely have what you need for that connection if you want to replace those o-rings.

    Also, here is a ChrisFix video on the PI intake swap on a Mustang 4.6. Some of the PI Specific modifications can be ignored and some of the minor details are different on an MGM/CV/LTC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beSV_jZxR5o
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    Some differences in that video:
    The Mustang does not have the aggravating bracket(s) on the rear driver side of the engine/intake.
    The EGR is on the other side and the plenum is reversed. There are more brackets that hold the throttle cables on the rear of the intake. The coolant tube mounts to the other side of the engine (passenger side on a panther.)

    And a bit off topic, the gradual increase in drill bits in that video was discussed in another thread recently. You will not need to do that step (I didn't have to either) but, for anyone who does need to do that step, drill the pilot hole then go straight to the desired drill bit size.
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    I did the Dorman swap on my '08 car, but did not have it long thereafter, so I can't speak to the longevity of those parts.

    I do know that the long bolt on the t stat housing snapped off in the cylinder head which was a real PITA. Be careful of that one. It was a rusty car with 220K miles, so maybe that had something to do with it. Overall though, this is a fairly simple repair that I feel most novices could handle at home. I appreciate the fact that the modular cars don't have an open valley which swallows coolant into the crankcase.

    If its a car you plan to keep (like my current '06 MGM), I would buy bite the bullet and buy Ford parts. That's what I intend to do when my develops a leaks.
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    When I recently chose to replace the one on the 96 CV, I looked for a genuine stock Ford part. Prior to 98, Ford has stopped making them. Aftermarket was the only reasonable solution. I would have bought the Ford PI intake but I was warned about leakage. Some people have luck with them, most do not. I ended up with a aftermarket intake with a lifetime warranty. All the other associated parts like water pump etc were genuine Ford.

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    Breaking News Here: The aftermarket intake manifold arrives minus thermostat

    Thursday the new 'Made in China' intake replacement arrived via Amazon used. It's apparently missing the thermostat and some seals but generally it's
    here. Photographs to follow via my iphone. What's good is that I just checked everything in the engine bay and in the trunk ( still trying to locate the missing wheel lock key ) and all is well, though I can see a leak of coolant fluid around # 4 cylinder near the passenger side front on the manifold. Still nothing dripping. So it's good I have something to play with and make plans for, also the weather here is stunning fall weather and I'll post photos. God knows we pay for it here?!!!

    Better news: After a phone call I located an emergency assistance company to help with my outstanding PG&E bill here. I have some forms to fill out and was hesitant to mention how much was due ( about $500 plus ) however she told me that most people who call in this pandemic are into 4 figures now! So no problem with mine. HEAP program local.

    I"ll post photos later of the parts that arrived including the screws etc. still a good thermostat plus both seals is nothing and maybe you can direct me to the best of the best of choices in this matter. There is that missing black thermostat "O" ring thing also.

    More to follow later.

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    New intakes usually don't come with the thermostat either, but sometimes you can get find the intake as part of a kit that does come with the thermostat.

    Hopefully you are able to find the right gaskets and o-rings. Since you mentioned this is a used intake, I would replace all those gaskets even if they were all there. I wouldn't be thrilled about a used intake.

    $500 for an energy bill really is nothing for a company/organization that does that kind of assistance. 4 figures doesn't seem shocking to me.

    Interested in seeing the pictures. It's possible those gasket(s) got lost and, as I said, I wouldn't expect a thermostat to be included. You may not have a used intake unless it's obviously dirty and has other signs of use.
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    More Breaking News: The Wheel Locks are finally OFF, However:

    Well, I'm a bit stunned here again. My neighborhood mechanic was able to remove the old rusty wheel locks on my '98 MGM GS here. This is where it goes into the strange now. The replacement set does not fit on and I just reinstalled the old ones with some anti-seize on my car and tightened them down. He also was not able to diagnose the crunk like noise on the front end that started after he replaced the front ball joints, so off to the front end specialist for that nonsense. He did tell me that the ball joints were okj. I owe him $50. as the effort was a bit rough in removing them.

    Now this is where things get unusually stranger. He told me to forget about using these wheel locks as no one here steals them anymore. These are the cast aluminum ones that are supposed to look like spokes. I'm still stunned at all of the wild news to process and emailed Gorilla to see if they will exchange them. If not someone here may need them. These are 12mm by 1.50 ACORN with a part # of 61631. Life with cars as with all intimate relationships, continues to be filled with drama.

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    The lugs on panthers should be 1/2-20. Lots of other metric stuff on it, but the lugs should be SAE.

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    The front clunk might be sway bar end links. I was dealing with a clunk on bumps despite a tight front end. The end links had just enough slop to be noisy.

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    I stopped using wheel locks back in 2002 or so. When I was working people would have flat tires at night, could not find the key, had to get towed. A tire shop stripped a set on the Ford Escort by using a impact gun. They had to air chisel them off. There is a lot of truth about people not stealing wheels and tires off of cars like ours. If they want something, they will steal the whole car.

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