what is the most power stock 302 every built

[gadget73]

And the consensus is? My penis is still bigger than Bill Ford's. And I want ice cream now. Bye.

[Mercracer]

I'm done with this never-ending thread. Try asking the same Boss 302 Vs. 5.0L Cobra question on www.corral.net. Good luck!!!

I will let you know how it goes....
Due to zero coverage in the Ford rags on the newstand, few of those frequenting the 5.0 boards really know what a Boss 302 is all about. Few have ever even seen one with their own eyes. Since Ford made the 5.0 powered Mustang Cobras the most powerful 5.0 Mustang, there will be those who blindly defend them. I have met and have raced with some of the founders of the corral. You don't have to include the full URL in every post that you mention it in.

[N A]

I'm done with this never-ending thread. Try asking the same Boss 302 Vs. 5.0L Cobra question on www.corral.net . Good luck!!!

[Mercracer]

www.corral.net '93 Cobras dyno 220-230 at the wheels. The Cobra wins!!!

How about linking to a specific thread to back up your silly claim.......

Assuming that is correct, a tired Boss motor making 210RWHP shows that a good healthy motor on a good tune should be able to beat your 220-230 at the wheels of the 1993 Cobra.
Even if your claim would be correct that from the factory as you picked the car up from the dealer that a 1993 Cobra will edge out a Boss 302 on a chassis dyno, it wouldn't take much for a Boss 302 to bury a 1993 Cobra motor.
I have an article where they took a 450HP rated LS6 motor and put it on a dyno. A pair of headers and a minor tune later it made over the 450HP it was rated at. It could not do it thru factory exhaust manifolds.
IF you took a 93 Cobra motor and a 1970 Boss 302 motor and would only be allowed to change exhaust and do what would be considered a tuning change for each motor without changing any other major intake or fuel delivery components, there is no doubt who would come out on top (dominate). If you could change the camshaft in each motor with no restrictions on profile, the Cobra motor would go crying home to its Mommy.

[N A]

www.corral.net '93 Cobras dyno 220-230 at the wheels. The Cobra wins!!!

[Mercracer]

Don't make me pull out the Victor Jrs....:p

[Grand Marquis GT]

I am going with the GT40P heads, an HO cam, 1.7 RRs, and probably a Typhoon or equiv intake.

It will be a good cost effective setup, and looks like I will smoke all you turkeys :evil:

[Mercracer]

As for the '93 Cobra, I didn't dig up any numbers on it except for the factory ratings: 235hp @ 4600 and 300 lb-ft @ 3200.

On horsepower, the Cobra appears to have an advantage, but I an unsure of where these numbers were taken (flywheel, tranny output shaft, or rear wheels).

Since the Cobra is flywheel horsepower, the Boss clearly is making more power. Real world strip times in equal weight cars with comparable transmissions, etc. the Boss will get there first.

[Tiggie]

I decided to do some digging on actual Boss numbers. In the June 1999 issue of Mustang and Fords, they tested and tuned a '70 Boss 302. The baseline they established was 178.7 hp @ 4700 and 208.5 lb-ft. After rebuilding the distributor and carb (187.7hp), changing the #83 jets to #81 (201.1hp), changed the #81 jets to #79 (206.5), and new plugs, the most they could wring out of it was 210.5 hp @ 6100 and 216.4 lb-ft @ 4100.
These are rear wheel numbers, on an original FoMoCo assembled engine. That said, M&F noted that the timing chain could use a replacement and the rings must have been a little tired due to the blowby seen on the runs. Since the peak numbers occured at 6100, and that's as far as the run went, it's likely that this engine wasn't done yet, but who wants to trash a numbers matching Boss?

Here is the complete chart on the Boss in full tune:
2500 - 95.8hp, 201.2 lb-ft
3000 - 111.4hp, 195.0 lb-ft
3500 - 137.3hp, 206.1 lb-ft
4000 - 163.1hp, 214.2 lb-ft
4500 - 179.1hp, 209.9 lb-ft
5000 - 192.7hp, 202.4 lb-ft
5500 - 206.5hp, 197.2 lb-ft
6000 - 204.9hp, 179.3 lb-ft

Notice the flat torque curve between 2500 and 5500rpm.

As for the '93 Cobra, I didn't dig up any numbers on it except for the factory ratings: 235hp @ 4600 and 300 lb-ft @ 3200.

The Cobra clearly has the peak torque advantage, but it's average is probably only slightly better than the Bosses between 2500-5500. On horsepower, the Cobra appears to have an advantage, but I an unsure of where these numbers were taken (flywheel, tranny output shaft, or rear wheels).

Someone dig up a stock '93 Cobra dyno run and maybe then we can make a true prediction as to what would happen on a drag strip with a Stock vs Stock (except for tires) setup.

[mercenvy]

It would be interesting to see car assembly production dates and casting dates from components for 70 Shelbys. You can find body VIN stampings starting with a 0 instead of a 9 in 1970 Shelby Mustangs. I suspect that you will find 1970 casting dated engines . Regardless of body shell spot welding date, a 70 Shelby is still a 70 model year production car and the only 70 model year production car to get a 351W 4V motor.

Well here is some info I have on the subject:

"When the decision[for Shelby] to terminate was official, there was still the matter of a fairly large number of cars still in the pipeline. Mustang shells had already started on their way to becoming Shelbys and dealers still had new unsold 1969s on their lots at the end of the model year. These cars were updated to become 1970 models after January. Cars uncompleted at the factory were completed as 1969 models and then modified into 1970s at Ford Kar Kraft facility(famous for Ford GT MK II and IV production in 1966-67). Cars in dealers' inventories were changed over by the dealers themselves. Three modifications were made to provide a model year differentation. First, the number of the serial number was changed to an '0'(to indicate 1970). Cars were then given black hood stripes(between the intake scoops and exhaust ducts on each side of the hood) and the chin spoilers were made of black plastic and identical to those used on the '69 Boss 302s. In order to complete Shelby production, some cars that had originally begun to be built as Mach Is were used,. This explains why some of the last Shelbys had red or tan interiors and other variations that were not on the Shelby order form".

[Mercracer]

I owned a 69 Shelby Mustang I was in the Shelby Mustang club. I have heard all the aguments all the bull all the crap were you there? My self I didnt give a hoot I had my Shelby that was it for me. Then president of Ford knowing there were parts enough to build Shelbys said build the rest as 70s. Hell Shelby built some more Shelby Cobras just a few years ago. Big bucks.

I am not following you. What is your point? It is common "knnowledge" that 70's are "left over" 69's. I am asking what exactly that means and making a few statements that do not necessarily contradict that general claim. Even if a body had a 9 in the VIN after the body pieces were spot welded together, and Ford changed the Vin to start with a 0, it is still a 70 car. Even if the pieces were spot welded together in 1921 and Ford changed the Vin to a 1970 model year VIN, it is a 1970 model year car. Until it leaves the factory and recieves its final VIN, or even receives its Shelby number, it just doesn't matter.
It also doesn't matter to me whether some Shelby collectors get their panties in a ruff over it.

[turbo2256b]

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine did a comparo of the Mustangs years ago. I forgot the actually issue date. The regular factory 5.0L Mustang ran the same times as the Boss 302 Mustang. An '93 Mustang Cobra would beat the Boss 302 in a straight line and on a road course.

I dont think they ever disconected the rev limiter on the Boss 302 in thosw tests. A Camero 302 with 4.56 factory gearing would beet the Boss untill the Boss had the RPM limiter bypassed. Then the bossss with the lowest 3.91 gearing from the factory would kick the 302 or 350 Z Cameros. I was thewr I lived it I worked on these cars. I have worked donn the current ones. I will take the old ones over the new any day. Back then I only drove 9 and 10 second street machines daily drivers big blocks small blocks.

[turbo2256b]

It would be interesting to see car assembly production dates and casting dates from components for 70 Shelbys. You can find body VIN stampings starting with a 0 instead of a 9 in 1970 Shelby Mustangs. I suspect that you will find 1970 casting dated engines . Regardless of body shell spot welding date, a 70 Shelby is still a 70 model year production car and the only 70 model year production car to get a 351W 4V motor.

I owned a 69 Shelby Mustang I was in the Shelby Mustang club. I have heard all the aguments all the bull all the crap were you there? My self I didnt give a hoot I had my Shelby that was it for me. Then president of Ford knowing there were parts enough to build Shelbys said build the rest as 70s. Hell Shelby built some more Shelby Cobras just a few years ago. Big bucks.

[Mercracer]

Here's how you settle the arguement. Have a Boss Mustang and an '93 Cobra show up at a chassis dyno. The '93 will post the higher numbers!!!

You'll lose money on that bet. A 1970 Boss 302 with a good tune will suprise you. The 1969 Boss 302 had 429SCJ sized intake valves which are too big for a 302 so the 1970 valves are the same as the 351C 4V motor.

[N A]

Here's how you settle the arguement. Have a Boss Mustang and an '93 Cobra show up at a chassis dyno. The '93 will post the higher numbers!!!