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    A buddy of mine is lookin to buy a new camshaft for his 5.8L F150. I went to the Summit website to look at camshafts, but I realized that I have no idea what I was doing. It listed the advertized duration, lift, and I have no clue as to what those things mean. I went to sites like HowStuffWorks but the explanations they give are extremly basic. Does anyone want to give me a little explanation on what all that stuff means and what types of camshafts are best for street driving, towing, racing, etc?
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    #2
    What year truck ? EFI? Mass air? Speed desity? Goal of change?
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      #3
      It's a 94, so it's EFI. I don't know if it has Mass air or speed density. And I think he's replacing the camshaft because he likes to drag race the truck so I guess he wants a higher performance cam. I just want to know what the duration and lift stuff means, and what duration and lift is needed for dragstrip use.
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        #4
        Got to know which its about that year it changed.
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          #5
          I just called him. He says it's mass air.
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            #6
            Go with the FMS E cam Crane makes it and is in the Crane book to 220 duration @ .050 and just under .500 lift .. .491 I think.
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              #7
              Originally posted by turbo2256b
              Go with the FMS E cam Crane makes it and is in the Crane book to 220 duration @ .050 and just under .500 lift .. .491 I think.
              Those numbers are what I was talking about when I said I don't know what they mean. For example, what does 220 duration @ .050 and under .500 lift mean? Are the numbers higher (numerically) for higher performance cams? I'm a total noob when it comes to things like this.
              88 Town Car (wrecked, for sale)
              Walker OEM duals with muffler deletes

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                #8
                Lift is the amount the cam raises the valve off the seat. There are 2 figures given for lift. Lift at the cam lobe and lift at the valve. Lift at the lobe referd to as lobe lift is the amout the cam lifts the pushrod and lifter off the base circle of the cam. Valve lift or gross lift is the amount the lobe lifts the push rod and lifter times the rocker arm ratio. Here is an example for a 460. A 460s rocker ratio is 1.73. A lobe lift of .282 times the rocker ratio 1.73 would result in lift at the valve of .488. If this lobe lift is used in an engine with 1.5 ratio rocker arms the lift would be .423

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                Last edited by turbo2256b; 09-04-2006, 08:29 AM.
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                  #9
                  It's still a little confusing. What is duration and what does it mean? It's different than lift, right?
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                    #10
                    duration is how long the valve stays open. long duration cams allow the cylinder to fill more completly.

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                      #11
                      Duration is how long the "lift" occurs in degrees. The "@ .050" is...well I don't know how to explain it...basically with the valve open .05" there is no air flow so they measure starting and ending with that. Make sense? Duration would be longer if measured at 0", I suppose its more accurate at .050"...

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                        #12
                        Duration is the amout of time a valve is open in crankshaft degrees.

                        Advertised duration is a bit lame because it is measured from some lift point to a closing point. Without knowing were the lift point is they begin to measuer it at your left hanging. The earlier they begin the more duration.

                        .050 duration is more accurate. It is realy tellling you at .050 after the ramp starts to lift the valve how long in crankshaft degrees the valve has been open. It also helps determine the power band or range of a cam and helps to compaire one cam to another. The higher the number the higher the power band. Each degree of change at .050 is equal to about a 500 RPM change. Note here that whatever you gain in a higher range you can loose that or more at a lower range.

                        Another note a cam needs to be matched to cylinder head or a manifolds (usally the limiting factor) air flow. If not matched correctly performance suffers. Your are usally better off with a milder cam than a hotter one.

                        A misconception is cams do not increase air flow. They only effect power bands.
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                          #13
                          E cam is a good power maker, but gears and converter should be in the plans with 220 duration. 2400-6000RPM operating power range for that cam. .498 is the lift.

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                            #14
                            does the truck 351 use the ho firing order?

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                              #15
                              The "HO" firing order is actually the 351W firing order. Early HO motors used 351W cams from the early 70's.
                              All 302's and 351's from 1994 on used the same roller cam with the exception of the Lightning 351W which used a flat tappet marine cam from the 70's.

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