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    No slushbox for you, do it right, get a TKO. I might fork over the cash for one when my NV3500 goes out in my truck and I build a fresh 350 for it.
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    yeah I know, I'm the only guy who actually likes the AOD. My track record has been much better with those vs the T5 guys it seems. I did kill one, but I had to catch the car on fire to do it. I'll call that a no-fault on the transmission's part.

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    I'm with Thain on this one... Let the car row the gears... I'll ride in comfort.

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    Is it me or does a manual seem strange in a "luxury" vehicle? I see manuals fitting better in a sports cars or small import.


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    I've always wanted a stick in a big car, but after driving my LTD a while, I don't even want to put any additional gauges inside it, much less chop a raggedy hole in the floor to put in the wrong transmission that will be difficult to shift sitting on a couch. That a good enough run-on sentence? I would've put a stick in my '98 because it was a dirty shitbox old cop car, but the box is so nice I just couldn't do it. If I were going to though, a t5 would be a poor choice I'd say. They were alright in a stock or mildly-modded mustang, but those also weight about a ton less than our cars guys. Try a hard launch or two and scatter that poor t5, then you're playing the tranny swap game again. Just get a TKO or build the aod and call it good.

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    Guess my post update didn't go through..

    The 285s are the for rear, and I have 255s for the front..

    Who in gods name would have 11.5" tires in the front, on a panther.


    Yes, TKO was the upgrade plan all along. Manuals outclass automatics anyday, gotta keep the racecar theme. It'd be boring if it was stock, like many of the others.
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    I like manuals because I've never driven an auto that shifted it where I wanted it to. Not as bad when you've got plenty of power but gets worse the slower the vehicle. We have an International 4300 straight truck at work with an auto and it annoys me, always shifts early or late. Had a Freightliner M2 106 at my last job with a 6spd manual, had more power and you could drive it so much easier.

    That said, I probably wouldn't put one in my car, just doesn't seem right to put a manual in a 4-door Town Car, much less a dirt slow stock one. When I have my AOD rebuilt, I'll just have a small aux cooler and shift kit installed for firmer shifts and extend its life a bit. Other that that, AOD is fine for a big slow luxury boat. In a smaller, quicker car like a Mustang, a manual is the only option.
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    "AOD is fine for a big slow luxury boat. In a smaller, quicker car like a Mustang, a manual is the only option." My point exactly!!


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    My brothers 5spd towncar was a blast to be in. Even though it's a slow bone stock engine, you still get the manual experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SVT98t View Post
    It has air ride. I've disabled it since I've been jacking it up and down.

    That is how you're supposed to jack it.

    Up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    yeah I know, I'm the only guy who actually likes the AOD. My track record has been much better with those vs the T5 guys it seems. I did kill one, but I had to catch the car on fire to do it. I'll call that a no-fault on the transmission's part.
    Honestly I was perfectly happy with my AOD and never had a problem out of it. I can drive stick but I really prefer not too and gotta say I'll probably never own a vehicle with a manual trans, I drive to relax not to go fast. Not that I have anything against anyone who likes to go fast, it's just not my style.
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    I had 275 40 18s on the front of my coupe, on an 18x9 wheels.

    They did not rub, and I did not cut the fenders. There are certainly pictures around here somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by 88Vic View Post
    I like manuals because I've never driven an auto that shifted it where I wanted it to. Not as bad when you've got plenty of power but gets worse the slower the vehicle. We have an International 4300 straight truck at work with an auto and it annoys me, always shifts early or late. Had a Freightliner M2 106 at my last job with a 6spd manual, had more power and you could drive it so much easier.
    When I was in college I used to deliver mattresses for a small company. When it came time for the company to get new lease trucks, I requested a standard shift. We had previously had some older Internationals with automatics, and they were turds. Plus, no one wanted to drive the stick trucks, which meant my truck was exclusivel mine. That way it stayed clean, and not smoked in. The other upsides were that my 7 spd (International 6 +1) had no speed limiter, whereas the auto trucks did, and my truck was also rated at 240 hp, whereas the autos were 215. Obviously I checked the engine decals... That sumbitch would wrap the needle right past 85.

    I have always preferred a standard transmission. I currently daily drive a 6 speed almost 25K miles a year. Anything I drive with an auto I am either waiting for it to shift, or romping it to get it to kick down a gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P72Ford View Post
    I had 275 40 18s on the front of my coupe, on an 18x9 wheels.

    They did not rub, and I did not cut the fenders. There are certainly pictures around here somewhere.



    When I was in college I used to deliver mattresses for a small company. When it came time for the company to get new lease trucks, I requested a standard shift. We had previously had some older Internationals with automatics, and they were turds. Plus, no one wanted to drive the stick trucks, which meant my truck was exclusivel mine. That way it stayed clean, and not smoked in. The other upsides were that my 7 spd (International 6 +1) had no speed limiter, whereas the auto trucks did, and my truck was also rated at 240 hp, whereas the autos were 215. Obviously I checked the engine decals... That sumbitch would wrap the needle right past 85.

    I have always preferred a standard transmission. I currently daily drive a 6 speed almost 25K miles a year. Anything I drive with an auto I am either waiting for it to shift, or romping it to get it to kick down a gear.
    We have two 2.2l auto S10s (Black Beauty and Red Velvet) at work and they're complete garbage, both with slipping trannies. Where as with a manual, you either have gears or you don't.
    Our manual scion XB will squeak second. So even though the Scion looks like a rolling box, I prefer it.

    Plus, ain't no true muscle car that has an auto, c'mon now.
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    It has air ride. I've disabled it since I've been jacking it up and down.

    That is how you're supposed to jack it.

    Up and down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88Vic View Post

    That said, I probably wouldn't put one in my car, just doesn't seem right to put a manual in a 4-door... much less a dirt slow stock one. boat
    Um, I believe Logan's is a 2 door & pretty fast......

    I hope to see it run down the strip @ S.F.



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    I hope to outrun it down the strip at Scottfest with my automatic

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    Stick is more fun! Esp @ the track



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    I agree with that... but my knees don't any more... so I stay with the slushbox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitymerc View Post
    Um, I believe Logan's is a 2 door & pretty fast......

    I hope to see it run down the strip @ S.F.
    It's not a Town Car either, I was referring to my car. Maybe if mine had at least an Explorer engine, I might consider a manual. If it had a torquey engine like a Lightning 351 with a roller cam and headers, I'd for sure do it. I've got a 5spd in my Sierra but with an old 305 it's not really fun to drive. I definitely prefer it to an auto, I specifically looked for a pickup with a manual, but I wouldn't go to the trouble of swapping a manual into a slow car, needs the engine power to be worth it.
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    Brother has a box Town Car with a stick in it and it's plenty of fun. Stock lopo.

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    My car will not be running at the track. Since it'll be down there most likely on the last leg of its rear end and tranny.

    PS: Lightning motors aren't the choice when building a 351. You want a roller block or a 60-70s block, if you're going to convert to roller. Lightning motors are junk overall. Weak blocks, solid lifters, shitty cam, low compression. Not much of a gain, other than heads and intakes.
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    It has air ride. I've disabled it since I've been jacking it up and down.

    That is how you're supposed to jack it.

    Up and down.

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    A lot of really fast cars run autos just for consistency.

    Dunno, I like manuals, but not in a panther. The shifter setup looks way too truck-like for it to really work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P72Ford View Post
    I had 275 40 18s on the front of my coupe, on an 18x9 wheels.

    They did not rub, and I did not cut the fenders. There are certainly pictures around here somewhere.
    Which front sway bar did you run?

    With my 92+ Addco my 255's rub at full lock, although I've never had an issue with the fender lip. IIRC some people had rubbing issues with stock size tires and that bar though, so I'll blame the sway bar.


    As for the standard vs. automatic argument, it really depends on the car. I'd never put a stick in my 92, it's far too slow and boaty. The 89 on the other hand was very different.
    My 92 is extremely boring to drive, but I get in it, turn the key and go, so it has it's purpose. Driving the Dakota is much more fun. It's not fast, but the 4.7 puts out enough power to be fun, especially when rowing your own gears.
    I fully plan to put my t5z in the tudor when I get a chance. It's fun with it's WR AOD and lentech v/b, and it will bawk the 1-2 hard, but it would be more fun if my left foot was controlling the bawks. That's far down the project line though.

    What sucks is that there's not a good cheap trans for us, the modular guys have way more options in that regard. Not to mention any used t5 you find has probably had the shit beat out of it already. They aren't known to be the strongest trans in the world, and add another half a ton to move around with some more power it's just a matter of time. That's the main reason I deiced to buy that street terminator AOD for the 87. If I could have found a used TKO for the same price I may have gone that route instead, but a manual puts a lot more stress on the driveline at the track.

    It's really a matter of preference. Most modern auto's will out shift a manual and get better if not equal fuel economy. An AOD is far from a modern auto though, and in stock form they are complete rubbish in these cars IMO. It's a dieing breed of those who want to row their own gears. Besides for sports cars or super base model econoboxes, good luck finding one today. Also, I'm a big fan of the old school through the floor shifter. No center console BS.
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