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    Default 85 Grand Marq Tudor

    This one has a bit of a story behind it. Wasn't looking for another box, but as usual they find me.

    Long story still long, friend of mine and I wanted to do another cross country road trip. We did one last year in a 91 SHO I bought sight unseen in Grants Pass, OR, ended up selling it to another buddy of mine (same one that has my old tudor Crown Vic) This year I bought a 97 Mark VIII LSC, and my buddy bought a SC400, we drove down the entire pacific coast and did a route 66 trip back across the country. (offroadkarter btw, he was at scottsfest 13' had the DTR Marauder with the polished eaton on top). I liked the Mark but didn't fall in love with it after a 4,313 mile test drive. Someone in a Facebook Mark group wanted to trade a clean Grand Marq tudor for a Mark 8 so after I had a few too many drinks we ended up agreeing on it. A month or so later we met up in KY and the deed was done. I somewhat regret trading the Mark VIII, but generic 90's bubble cars don't do it for me. Underpowered, awful build quality 80's boxes are where it's at.

    That brings us to were we currently stand. Not sure what I'll do with it, but it's a minty 65k mile tudor.

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    The difference in aerodynamic shape between the two is astounding!

    The 7.3 doing well on the tow job?
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    Nice!!! Where did you get the '85 from? Looks remarkably like the '85 my friend used to have before moving down to Kentucky.

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    How close is that color to your wagon?

    Did the bumber jack do a number on the passenger side front bumper?


    Looks really nice. Guy musta been happy with this trade.
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    Didn't trust the 85 for the trip back up?

    Much as I like the Mark VIII from a theoretical perspective, I've honestly never been able to fall for one either.

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    The Mark VIII was a interesting car. Time for repairs though it was expensive. New owner better have deep pockets if you need to replace a headlight!
    It is one of those cars that a person needs to hoard parts for. If one is found whole in a junkyard, start hoarding.

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    I am semi serious about a '95 or '96... But yeah, I'm just not sure how expensive they are to maintain. Doesn't look like a vehicle I'd be doing much on myself. I still hate multicamshaft engines too, but 300ish HP sounds like fun and it would be nice to have a Lincoln which moves without having to modify the one I've got. On the other hand, if someone has an equally minty Mark VII they'd like to trade for my Town Car, cool.
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    Super cool! Well worth the trip to get her I say. Reminds me of the '86 my buddy in PA saw at a car show a few years back. Getting '03+ frame swap and SEFI treatment?
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    I remember the commercials from the early-90s when the Mark VIII was introduced that were narrated by Jeff Goldblum, "The 300-horsepower, 32-valve, Lincoln Mark VIII. Drive everything else...first."

    You're correct on it being an unremarkable car, though. You could show someone a picture of the quarter window and the slope of the rear body line and they wouldn't be able to tell what car it's from. It's very similar to that Lexus.
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    A Mk VIII is a far cry from the 70s Marks and 80s Tudors. The design just doesn't seem very Lincoln-like, unlike the aero Town Car. But I guess the Mk VII was already taking the model in a different direction, and the whole personal luxury coupe segment was dying out anyway.

    But if you separate it from everything that came before, I think it's a fairly attractive vehicle. It's a much more cohesive design than the Lexus beside it. Reminds me a bit of the first gen Olds Aurora.

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    I like the chassis and the driveline, its just the blob shape doesn't quite do it for me, but I feel that way about all the 90s jellybean cars. Its a much better chassis than the Mark VII is on if I'm being perfectly honest about it. Basically just a bigger MN-12 with air suspension.

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    Jeff Goldblum eh? A certain scene from Superbad comes to mind haha...

    Anyway, I thought the styling was unremarkable too. However, they're growing on me, especially the years before the front& rear got a collagen injection (93-96). They look a lot easier to keep clean than a four door box Lincoln with all of it's nooks & crannies. Hand washing it takes hours. But boy, does it sure clean up nice and turn heads when it is all spiffy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggie View Post
    The difference in aerodynamic shape between the two is astounding!

    The 7.3 doing well on the tow job?
    It's funny you mention the aerodynamics. Got 12.2 mpg on the way down (cruise set at ~77), got 12 even on the way back. I blame the shape of the box!

    The 7.3 has been great! I absolutely love it, unloaded highway cruise set @ 77 net's mid 16's for mpg's. If I drop down to 72, I can squeak out 17mpg, not bad for a 3/4 ton gasjob. The 10R140 is more of a love/hate relationship. I'm hoping a TCM reprogram fixes a few of it's quirks.

    Quote Originally Posted by packman View Post
    Nice!!! Where did you get the '85 from? Looks remarkably like the '85 my friend used to have before moving down to Kentucky.
    The 85 is originally from Sothern Illinois.

    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    How close is that color to your wagon?

    Did the bumber jack do a number on the passenger side front bumper?


    Looks really nice. Guy musta been happy with this trade.
    Bumper is fine, I think your seeing the reflexion of my tongue box in the one pic.

    As for the trade, he was happy. The Mark looked great in pics, but had a mediocre respray. Overall, I think it was a fair trade. I think I overpaid a bit for the Lincoln, but when your buying cars sight unseen on the other side of the country, that can happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    Didn't trust the 85 for the trip back up?

    Much as I like the Mark VIII from a theoretical perspective, I've honestly never been able to fall for one either.
    I think the 85 would have made it fine, but just brining the trailer makes it easy not to worry about reg/insurance BS. The reason I pay so much a month to own a modern truck is for trips like this.

    I wanted to like the Lincoln, I really did, but it just didn't do much for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mainemantom View Post
    The Mark VIII was a interesting car. Time for repairs though it was expensive. New owner better have deep pockets if you need to replace a headlight!
    It is one of those cars that a person needs to hoard parts for. If one is found whole in a junkyard, start hoarding.
    The Mark VIII reminded me a lot of the Lincoln LS I owned. I nice car, but in constant need of love and attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    I am semi serious about a '95 or '96... But yeah, I'm just not sure how expensive they are to maintain. Doesn't look like a vehicle I'd be doing much on myself. I still hate multicamshaft engines too, but 300ish HP sounds like fun and it would be nice to have a Lincoln which moves without having to modify the one I've got. On the other hand, if someone has an equally minty Mark VII they'd like to trade for my Town Car, cool.
    Personally, the Gen I Mark VIII's don't so anything for me; I think they've aged like sour milk. Compare a 1992 Lexus SC300/400 to a 1993 Mark VIII. The Lincoln looks 20 years old. Sure, it had a lot of cool tech, but certainly an American car designed in the 80's. A 96 LSC at least get's bonus point's for being an LSC. The facelifted Gen II 97/98's still look great I think, but certainly are a product from the 90's bubble era. Plus the 97/98's get the neon, better interior, all the good stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hearsesrock427 View Post
    Super cool! Well worth the trip to get her I say. Reminds me of the '86 my buddy in PA saw at a car show a few years back. Getting '03+ frame swap and SEFI treatment?
    I have a first gen Lighting 351 mill laying around and a Lentech Street Terminator AOD. I suspect if I keep the car they will end up in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Giraffe View Post
    I remember the commercials from the early-90s when the Mark VIII was introduced that were narrated by Jeff Goldblum, "The 300-horsepower, 32-valve, Lincoln Mark VIII. Drive everything else...first."

    You're correct on it being an unremarkable car, though. You could show someone a picture of the quarter window and the slope of the rear body line and they wouldn't be able to tell what car it's from. It's very similar to that Lexus.
    I will say the Lexus had infinitely better build quality. Overall, I liked the Lincoln more, but closing the door on the Lincoln felt the same as closing the door on a Tempo. Closing the door on the Lexus felt like closing a bank vault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutrova View Post
    A Mk VIII is a far cry from the 70s Marks and 80s Tudors. The design just doesn't seem very Lincoln-like, unlike the aero Town Car. But I guess the Mk VII was already taking the model in a different direction, and the whole personal luxury coupe segment was dying out anyway.

    But if you separate it from everything that came before, I think it's a fairly attractive vehicle. It's a much more cohesive design than the Lexus beside it. Reminds me a bit of the first gen Olds Aurora.
    Having owned a Mark VII, the Mark VIII is easily twice the car. That said, I would choose Mark VII over a Mark VIII I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by gadget73 View Post
    I like the chassis and the driveline, its just the blob shape doesn't quite do it for me, but I feel that way about all the 90s jellybean cars. Its a much better chassis than the Mark VII is on if I'm being perfectly honest about it. Basically just a bigger MN-12 with air suspension.
    Nailed it 100%. The MN12/FN10 chassis is leaps and bounds above a fox, it honestly drove a lot like a 03+ panther. For how heavy the car was, I was really pushing it on the switchbacks out west, and damn if the car didn't handle well above my expectations.

    Quote Originally Posted by DerekTheGreat View Post
    Jeff Goldblum eh? A certain scene from Superbad comes to mind haha...

    Anyway, I thought the styling was unremarkable too. However, they're growing on me, especially the years before the front& rear got a collagen injection (93-96). They look a lot easier to keep clean than a four door box Lincoln with all of it's nooks & crannies. Hand washing it takes hours. But boy, does it sure clean up nice and turn heads when it is all spiffy.

    They are neat for sure. Personally, I hate the 93-96's, but some people love them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantera77 View Post



    Bumper is fine, I think your seeing the reflexion of my tongue box in the one pic.
    I see that on the lower half... talking more about the relation of bumper to underside of header panel. Looks like more of a gap between headlights and bumper on drivers side than passengers. I think its just the angle of photo.

    Any story behind the car?
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    I think I'd rather have a Mark VII too. F Toyota though, I'll be damned if I ever own one. As I like to say, we may not build the best product, but it's our product. Like, if my brother owned a breadshop I couldn't fathom buying my bread anywhere else.. Although, that's an old mentality. I couldn't in good conscience recommend an American car to anyone these days. Certain trucks (Like your 7.3) or cars like a Camaro, maybe. The quad cam job in a VIII is quite remarkable, so even though it was designed in the 80's, its a modern car to me. Too bad they weren't available with a manual transmission from the factory.
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    Few updates, adjusted the front bumper, as Dave pointed out, it was way too high on the pass side. Replaced a few of the fish bowled headlights as well. Gave the entire car a light buff, it could use some more, but cleans up decent. Removed the awful tint that was on it. Threw on the old Torq Thrust off the HPP box circa 2012.

    The PO did true duals with asspacks, not my style, but they work for now. The cats were deleted in the process, so a good excuse to do a full smog pump delete. It had new plugs, but old wires, threw on a MSD cap and rotor, a MSD coil, and Ford racing wires I had laying around. Semi pointless, but at the least they dress up the engine bay a bit. Also tightened up the wiring under the hood a bit. Threw on a rear PI sway bar I had laying around as well. The gutless CFI wonder runs fine for now so I'll leave it be.





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    Did you clean up the engine bay; or did it come that way?

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    Engine bay looks nice indeed. Always preferred the look of CFI over SEFI. Car looks good too, almost like a different one altogether. Amazing what a set of wheels and some spitshine will do.

    Good luck with that MSD coil, I've had nothing but trouble with them. In case they're still garbage, you might want to keep the factree one in the trunk.
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    The hilarious part about CFI is that when it runs right its SUPER smooth. Also seems to be good on fuel. Getting one thats right seems to be no trivial task though.

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    Looking great!
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