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    I was thinking that at some point I'd want to replace my factory 14" steelies with a set of HPP wheels. However, I wasn't sure how well they'd fit, whether to get the 15" or 16" version, or what size tires would fit best in the case of the 16" wheels (I know a good size for the 15"). In either case, I figure that I'd want something with a width of 235+. Any thoughts on this?
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    With tires, I would not go over 225 with the car at stock height or just a little higher.That is what I had/have on my cars. Over that, there are rubbing issues.
    Just my 2 cents.

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    The 16 x 7 will fit and look great. They have a 4mm offset which is less than 1/4". I kept mine as they'd look great on a early Mustang. I'd run a 225/60-16 or 235/60-16 tire.
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    What are the 15" versions you are referring to? I am only aware of hpps wheels in the 16" variety.

    If running the stock front brakes the hpp center caps most likely will not fit. I believe some have circumvented this issue by grinding down the hub snout and even some of the inside of the centercap.
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    Thanks, everyone. Glad to have the input. And I think maybe I got confused on the size of the HPP wheels because some sellers I've seen listed them as 15".

    Speaking of the center caps, I haven't seen any around. Where should I look?
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    I thought there were some 15" Lacey Spokes before 1998, polished aluminum rim area maybe, not silver metal-flake like my '01's 16x7 versions?
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    I have (2) 15” lacy spoke MGM wheels with center caps. They are not HPP wheels tho
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    Thank you. I only saw that gold-ish one and wasn't even certain it was the right kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by massacre View Post
    I have (2) 15 lacy spoke MGM wheels with center caps. They are not HPP wheels tho
    What makes a HPP wheel?
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    Real HPP's only come in 16", but they come in three distinct flavors. (93-96, 97/98, 99-02)
    Lacy spoke 15's are similar, but certainly not HPP's.
    16" LSC Lacy spokes are pretty much HPP's with a different offset (and require spacers, though will fit an 03+ just fine)

    225/60/16 is stock, 235/60/16 will fit fine, 255/50/16 will also fit but is really pushing it width wise on the wheel. I've ran all three.

    Stock HPP center caps will fit the stock brakes with a little grinding and hammering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ledzilla View Post
    Thank you. I only saw that gold-ish one and wasn't even certain it was the right kind.
    No Problem. I have to admit it appears as if the Ford caps are easier to obtain. Good luck in your search for a set of proper mercury ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbear853 View Post
    What makes a HPP wheel?
    they came on cars with the Handling and Performance Package. basically higher rate springs, bigger sway bars, dual exhaust, those wheels, probably some other bits that I can't remember. Lots of them had rear air suspension, and the air springs had a different base for a higher progressive rate than the standard air suspension cars.

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    I know what a "HPP car" is, but "what is a HPP wheel" ... was more my query. Like, if the HPP wheel is laid on a pile of other Lacey Spoke 16x7s off of non HPP cars, how can a fellow tell the difference? I've got a set of Lacey Spoke 16x7s off a '01 CV, they have exactly the same 4mm offset as the 16x7 Teardrop wheels that were on my '01 Mercury. I've seen three variations of Lacey Spokes which did usually come on a HPP car, but were not exclusive to HPP cars. I only asked the question because I had never heard of them being called HPP wheels, just always Lacey Spokes.
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    The wheels on my car are HPPs. They were the BBS made for Ford "performance" wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbear853 View Post
    I know what a "HPP car" is, but "what is a HPP wheel" ... was more my query. Like, if the HPP wheel is laid on a pile of other Lacey Spoke 16x7s off of non HPP cars, how can a fellow tell the difference? I've got a set of Lacey Spoke 16x7s off a '01 CV, they have exactly the same 4mm offset as the 16x7 Teardrop wheels that were on my '01 Mercury. I've seen three variations of Lacey Spokes which did usually come on a HPP car, but were not exclusive to HPP cars. I only asked the question because I had never heard of them being called HPP wheels, just always Lacey Spokes.
    Any "lacy spoke" 16x7 on a 93-02 panther is a HPP wheel, because they only came on HPP cars, hence the name.
    They've been called HPP's for over 15 years now (CVN Wheel & Tire FAQ was written back in 06)
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    Until this thread, I had only heard or read them being called Lacey Spokes. I've seen them on non HPP cars, but then I made that same swap in '02 so there's that I guess.
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    Yeah... my car was originally a LX highway cruiser. I've built it into an HPP except for the springs and sways. I prefer the ride as is with just the KYB Gas-a-justs upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbear853 View Post
    Until this thread, I had only heard or read them being called Lacey Spokes. I've seen them on non HPP cars, but then I made that same swap in '02 so there's that I guess.
    Oddly enough, until I saw some of the replies on this post, I've only seen them referred to as HPP wheels. Didn't even know that there was any variation at all until I decided that I wanted to install them on my '79 Marquis coupe and started looking up info on them.
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    I wonder, if it is "Lacey Spoke" or is it "Lacy Spoke"?

    Either way, they are pretty. I might someday put my set on an "older than new" Ranger or '67-'68 Mustang coupe.

    I can spell "HPP" OK.
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