another 351w swap

[windsor4brainz]

So I am trying to spin this engine over and I only get a click.

Is there anything like safety switches or something that would prevent starting.

This is what I am doing. I am using a remote starter connected to the positive on the battery to the little ignition switch top side of the solenoid. I am hearing the click from the driver side .maybe a relay or something.

Is there anything I should look into first?the battery is on a charger as well

[sly]

try going to the bottom little pin as well. If the solenoid still won't trip, double check the power to the starter and the engine grounds. If the block is not grounded to the frame/battery, the starter will never turn.

[gadget73]

Needs to be from the battery to the S terminal. I terminal is output to ignition system. Thats assuming you have 2 small posts. If its only one small post, and it doesn't click your solenoid is toast.

[windsor4brainz]

Fixed the starter issue. That was me being an idiot and not grounding the engine and I saw the starter power bolt was a little loose. Fixed those and she spun over no problem.

Then I went to find TDC on number 1 cylinder. Pulled the plug for number 1 and held my finger over it and spun the engine over AND No compression! !!!!!

So I pulled the valve cover and watchEd it . So I replaced the new push rods that was installed on number 1 cylinder and swapped them with the original pushrods that came with the 351 and tried it again.

Blew my finger into the neighbors yard! I am happy and mad. Mad that I am stupid but happy I know what it is.

Finally the only other real problem I have is the fact that the oil pump shafts does not sit centered in the hole that the distributor goes in and so I am constantly fighting it to go down. My oil primer couldn't sit on the shafts nor my distributor itself.

Any suggestions on the oil pump shaft?

[gadget73]

Have to check the lifter preload to see if thats right. QUick and dirty method, find zero lash and watch how far it rotates to hit torque. If its between 1/2 turn and 1 turn, you're fine. If it never hits zero lash you need longer rods, if it takes much more than 1 turn the pushrods are too long.


Not much you can do with the pump shaft other than carefully rock the distributor a bit till it finds a spot and pilots itself. The stock ones are rounded on the end so that works better but if yours is squared off you're basically SOL.

Related, but you do know the 351 uses a bigger pump shaft than a 302 right? 302 distributor and primer will not fit.

[windsor4brainz]

Yeah gadget73 I saw the size difference between the too. And I ordered all 351w parts for the 351w engine. So I am a little frustrated bc everything appears to be right and the dizzy won't drop it and mesh with the gears of the cam. I even tried the original distributor that came with the engine and she won't slide in.

This basically is the only thing that's actively stopping me from trying to start the engine now.

[windsor4brainz]

So I got it in.I guess the shafts got unseat and somehow became lodged against the engine. So I forced my oil primer on there and spun it for a while and it finally dropped in correctly!

That made me happy so now I have to put plug wires on there and connect the dizzy to battery . A little fuel and hopefully smell exhaust

[windsor4brainz]

She runs! So happy. Now to start the fine details and wrap the engine compartment up!!

[windsor4brainz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU24IaF12-M

[gadget73]

you got lucky if the shaft came out of the pump but didn't drop down into the pan. Thats the usual way it goes, and the only fix is removing the pan to fish the shaft out.

[sly]

that dizzy cap tho

[His Royal Ghostliness]

you got lucky if the shaft came out of the pump but didn't drop down into the pan. Thats the usual way it goes, and the only fix is removing the pan to fish the shaft out.

Eh, maybe she didn't come out all the way, just got stuck in the pump in the up-most position the keeper allows it. Remember Don's engine, yeah, that shit! We ought to start moving them keepers up the shafts till they almost touch the block, that should put the kibosh on these shenanigans.

[windsor4brainz]

I can't use my 302 water pump pulley bc the mounting holes don't match the water pump bolt holes.

Where can I get a 6 rib serpentine water pump pulley?

And I need the one with the grooves not the one that's smooth right?

[gadget73]

What water pump did you use? The pumps and pulleys are the same 351 to 302, provided you got a pump for a Vic. If its a Mustang or pickup truck pump, those are reverse rotation and involve a different bolt pattern. They will not function correctly spinning standard rotation. If its a truck pump and it sealed, you'll also need to change the timing cover. The ports run the opposite direction on a truck, and the car water pumps do not seal to that timing cover, or vise-versa.

[windsor4brainz]

My napa part number is 43057. It says it's got a standard rotation. I don't know what the parts guy looked it up under. It says standard rotation but I have to widen the holes on the water pump pulley . This pulley came off of the 302 cfi engine.

Why is there so many variations to stuff with Ford?