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    Default Who is bringing an upgraded steering box....Box?

    Probably the next modification to be done to my Vic.

    Looking forward to finding out the specifics and seeing it in person all what has to be done!
    ~David~

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    galactica has the nascar steering

    1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
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    hehehe Nascar steering mod! If Thain brings her on over I will be sure to check it out.
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    you're welcome to have a look and a drive if you like.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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    yucatech has the hpp steering gear

    1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
    2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
    1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
    1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
    2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
    1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

    please be patient, rebuilding an empire!


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    I may be eying those red-tops... heard they're really nice but spendy.

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    The late model steering is AMAZING.

    I loved it!
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    Linky no worky.


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    Cool!!!


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    yeah. those!

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    I am just looking to grab one at the yard.

    Need to know:

    What year steering box with high pressure hose?
    Do I just need the flange and or shaft that attaches to the box?
    Do I need the low pressure side fittings?
    ~David~

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    You're welcome to try the Shooting Brake. Hpp steering is wonderfully precise until 90 or so when it feels a little too
    precise.

    Donald

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    Quote Originally Posted by 87gtVIC View Post
    I am just looking to grab one at the yard.

    Need to know:

    What year steering box with high pressure hose?
    Do I just need the flange and or shaft that attaches to the box?
    Do I need the low pressure side fittings?
    Here is *the* list

    http://www.idmsvcs.com/2vmod/steerin...rtnumbers.html

    basically 98-02 stuff, but there are various levels of stiffness depending what the box came out of. I think mine is the heaviest of any I've driven, and its a known low-mileage pull from a wrecked CVPI. The chances of finding a good one of those is about nil. I wouldn't pull parts from those half million mile taxis to put on my car if you paid me.

    you need the return line. If you get one off a cop car, its shaped to mate up perfectly with the box PS cooler. I have the whole line on my car from cooler to steering gear, and it looks like it belongs that way.

    You need just the lower flange, but its part of the lower shaft. Basically pull the lower shaft, and cut it apart at your leisure. You only need the piece that clamps onto the box itself, the rest is just what comes with the useful part.

    86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
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    91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC SE, triple black (Timewarp) - poly front bushings, KYB struts and shocks, Holley SystemMax1 lower intake, SilverFox AOD valve body,

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    Okay so 98 to 02 CVPI preferably for stiffest steering.

    I do utilize a power steering cooler so try to find one from cop car....

    The return line is the low pressure side I would say right?

    For the pitman arm...is that press fitted on? Easy to remove at junkyard. Same question for the lower flange. Pressed onto the gear box? and bolted onto the rest of the steering shaft?
    ~David~

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    I got 02' CVPI Red Head gear box up for grabs.

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    Default Don't Count on the Pitman Arm Being Easy!

    I can't really comment on most of your steering box queries, but I can share my recent experience with Pitman arms. It's basically a press fit, but tightening the nut is what does the pressing. In my case, I used a 14" breaker bar with about four feet of cheater bars to loosen and tighten the nut. (I've seen people say the nut is 1 5/16" or 34mm, but mine was actually 33mm.) When tightening, I didn't have a torque wrench that went up to 250ft-lbs or whatever the recommended torque was, but I could feel the Pitman arm bottom out, and applying any more torque would not have done any good. (It's amazing how much strain the steering lock was able to take.)

    When I did my research, I didn't see a single account of the Pitman arm being easy to remove. The easiest that I saw was using an impact wrench on a Pitman arm puller and having the Pitman arm pop off with an explosive "bang". To avoid having the arm fly off in such a case, leave the nut on the end of the shaft. One useful tip was grinding away part of the arm near the shaft to loosen the fit, and I had to resort to this since my puller couldn't handle the strain, though I didn't have the benefit of an impact wrench. Grinding is probably the safest way to go, but be careful not to grind into the shaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bean View Post
    I got 02' CVPI Red Head gear box up for grabs.
    I gotta pull a bunch of bits and pieces to make this mod work in the first place so unless the price is stellar I would have to pass considering I will basically have the part I need in hand.
    ~David~

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    What is Nascar steering?
    How is it different from HPP steering?
    Do any, including Redhead have the quick steering ratios?

    Excuse me for asking simple questions.
    I have CRS syndrome some of the time.

    Thank you,
    Mike

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