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    Kick down for AOD....

    OK, I have been told a couple of different things on my 84... I am going to convert it to a four barrel soon to get rid of the CFI.... My question is the throttle transmission kick down lever...

    My car has the AOD transmission, with a pushrod style kick down or I guess a "T.V." type of lever... NOT a cable like the newer cars.... So my question is, IF we put the lever on the kick down connection on the carb, and adjust it correctly, this will work, right? The carb throttle and kick down lever on the new intake, will be very close to the original position as the CFI we are taking off... So I would think it would just need adjusted a small amout to be perfect...

    Some people have told me that I need to use the aftermarket AOD cable... So, what will work? I would like to keep the original push rod style, to keep it looking as stock as possible...

    Any thoughts on this???


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    #2
    Originally posted by trwp72 View Post
    My car has the AOD transmission, with a pushrod style kick down or I guess a "T.V." type of lever... NOT a cable like the newer cars.... So my question is, IF we put the lever on the kick down connection on the carb, and adjust it correctly, this will work, right?
    A 4V carb "kickdown" linkage is very different from a AOD TV linkage. The geometry is not even close. TV linkage is intended to move as soon as the throttle moves. A kickdown moves at heavy throttle only. In order to retain the factory lever, you would need to remove the linkage from your CFI throttle body or from a 2V carb that uses the linkage arm and install it on the 4V carb.

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      #3
      The carb I'm going to use has got the linkage for the TV... It really isn't a kick down lever... just wasn't sure what to call it.... The linkage on the CFI and this carb looks almost the same... So it should work... and also has alot of adjustment on the rod yet... both directions... Tom


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        #4
        Originally posted by trwp72 View Post
        The carb I'm going to use has got the linkage for the TV... It really isn't a kick down lever... just wasn't sure what to call it.... The linkage on the CFI and this carb looks almost the same... So it should work... and also has alot of adjustment on the rod yet... both directions... Tom

        No aftermarket carb has TV linkage. What carb and linkage are you talking about? Any pics?

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          #5
          Originally posted by trwp72 View Post
          The carb I'm going to use has got the linkage for the TV... It really isn't a kick down lever... just wasn't sure what to call it.... The linkage on the CFI and this carb looks almost the same... So it should work... and also has alot of adjustment on the rod yet... both directions... Tom

          If you look at a Lokar catalog, they actually call the TV cable a "kickdown." I was just looking at my catalog tonight and noticed this.
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            #6
            MeanVic84 is running an Autolite 4300 with the factory (for C4/C6/FMX) kickdown lever and has had no problems. I am intending to do the same, only with a 4100.

            Here is MeanVic84's setup.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Tiggie View Post
              MeanVic84 is running an Autolite 4300 with the factory (for C4/C6/FMX) kickdown lever and has had no problems. I am intending to do the same, only with a 4100.
              Does the linkage move as soon as the throttle moves?
              I personally have more confidence in a Holley with a factory cable.......

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                #8
                Originally posted by Mercracer View Post
                Does the linkage move as soon as the throttle moves?
                I personally have more confidence in a Holley with a factory cable.......
                Well, I'm not using a Holley (using a 1406), and I'm also not using the factory cable. I thought about it (and preferred the stock cable at first), but I'd rather go with the Lokar cable. I think it will play nicer.

                Mercracer, would you happen to know anything about the carbs found on an original BOSS 302? As far as model number, cfm rating, etc? Were they a Holley piece used on other engines? I wonder if that could be made to work.
                **2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: 5.0/ 6 spd/ 3.73s, 20K Cruiser
                **2006 MGM,"Ultimate": 4.6/ 2.73/ Dark Tint, Magnaflows, 19s, 115K Daily Driver
                **2012 Harley Davidson Wide Glide (FXDWG):103/ Cobra Speedsters/ Cosmetics, 9K Poseur HD Rider
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by P72Ford View Post
                  Mercracer, would you happen to know anything about the carbs found on an original BOSS 302? As far as model number, cfm rating, etc? Were they a Holley piece used on other engines? I wonder if that could be made to work.
                  Boss 302 Holleys are not any more AOD friendly than any other Holley. I have all of the specs if you really want it. Holleys were used on some 390/428/427 FEs, Boss 429, 429SCJ, HiPo 289 and then 351W/460 trucks and 302 Mustang/Capri motors in the 80s. The geometry of the kickdown linkage vs TV linkage is different. The geometry of GM cable linkage and AOD TV linkage is nearly the same on a Holley. That is why you can use the lower hole on many Holleys to attach a cable to. I had Len of Lentech Automatics personally inspect mine and he saw no problems with it... Seeing that I have plenty of nitrous runs on mine and it still has factory internals except for the valve body and converter, I think that it is a safe bet....

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mercracer View Post
                    Does the linkage move as soon as the throttle moves?
                    I personally have more confidence in a Holley with a factory cable.......
                    As far as the linkage moving at the same time, I'm not sure but I can only assume it does if MeanVic has no problems. MeanVic did say he had to modify the rod a bit. I will check it out for sure and let you know when I ditch my VV. If the linkage starts moving right with the throttle and maxes out at the transmission at WOT, I think it should be okay. I believe my dad has a 4100 hinding somewhere with a auto lever on it that I could mock up. I'll see if I can locate it this weekend.

                    What factory cable are you referring to? An EFI one or a '90-'91 VV one (or are they the same)? I'd be game for using a factory cable if it was possible.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tiggie View Post
                      What factory cable are you referring to? An EFI one or a '90-'91 VV one (or are they the same)? I'd be game for using a factory cable if it was possible.

                      I use a factory EFI cable. The hardware at the transmission remains the same. At the carb, I use a modified combo EFI/Carb bracket.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mercracer View Post
                        I use a factory EFI cable. The hardware at the transmission remains the same. At the carb, I use a modified combo EFI/Carb bracket.
                        Got any pics?
                        1990 Country Squire - under restoration
                        1988 Crown Vic LTD Wagon - daily beater

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mercracer View Post
                          Boss 302 Holleys are not any more AOD friendly than any other Holley. I have all of the specs if you really want it.
                          Well, I already bought a 1406, but I have the use of a carb that came off of a Boss 302. I'll use that if its going to be a better carb over the 1406. I'm looking for a DD carb though, nothing radical. I want it to be easy to tune etc, so I'm thinking the 1406 will be fine. The Holley surely needs a rebuild as well.

                          How many cfm is the B2 carb?
                          **2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: 5.0/ 6 spd/ 3.73s, 20K Cruiser
                          **2006 MGM,"Ultimate": 4.6/ 2.73/ Dark Tint, Magnaflows, 19s, 115K Daily Driver
                          **2012 Harley Davidson Wide Glide (FXDWG):103/ Cobra Speedsters/ Cosmetics, 9K Poseur HD Rider
                          **1976 Ford F-150 4WD: 360, 4 spd, 3.50s, factory A/C, 4" lift, Bilsteins, US Indy Mags, 35s Truck Duties

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by P72Ford View Post
                            Well, I already bought a 1406, but I have the use of a carb that came off of a Boss 302. .........How many cfm is the B2 carb?
                            First, what is the Ford number on the carb? It may or may not be original....

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                              #15
                              Its original, that I can guarantee. My Dad got it in 1971 from a Ford rep that he knew from when he used to work at a dealer. Its at my Dad's shop (somewhere in the troves of parts), so I don't have the the # handy. Maybe I can get it tomorrow, if I can find it.
                              **2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302: 5.0/ 6 spd/ 3.73s, 20K Cruiser
                              **2006 MGM,"Ultimate": 4.6/ 2.73/ Dark Tint, Magnaflows, 19s, 115K Daily Driver
                              **2012 Harley Davidson Wide Glide (FXDWG):103/ Cobra Speedsters/ Cosmetics, 9K Poseur HD Rider
                              **1976 Ford F-150 4WD: 360, 4 spd, 3.50s, factory A/C, 4" lift, Bilsteins, US Indy Mags, 35s Truck Duties

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