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    Installing front crank seal

    Seal-to-timing cover: I picked up a tube of Permatex #2 for the metal-to-metal surfaces of the seal and timing cover. What is the best way to install the seal in the timing cover? Support the back side of the timing cover and tap the seal in straight with a bearing installer tool?

    Aligning the seal on the crank: Anyone actually use the special tool to align the timing cover front seal on the crank?
    Last edited by monterey1962; 04-04-2010, 12:01 AM.
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    Support the back side, lay a small chunk of 2x4 across the seal, and tap it in with a hammer.


    Theres a tool to align the crank with the seal? The cover has dowel pins that only let it sit in a certain spot, and the seal only fits where it fits. The crank doesn't actually make contact with the seal anyway, the balancer does that. Just make sure you put some grease on the lip of the seal, and smoosh a bit on the back side whre the garter spring goes or the spring might pop out when its not convenient. The snout on the balancer also needs to be clean, smooth, and lightly greased.
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      #3
      Originally posted by monterey1962 View Post
      Seal-to-timing cover: I picked up a tube of Permatex #2 for the metal-to-metal surfaces of the seal and timing cover. What is the best way to install the seal in the timing cover? Support the back side of the timing cover and tap the seal in straight with a bearing installer tool?

      Aligning the seal on the crank: Anyone actually use the special tool to align the timing cover front seal on the crank? If so, where can a guy find this tool? NAPA didn't have it.
      is the timing cover off the engine ?

      If so, and assuming the old seal is already removed, I use a block of wood to support the cover and tap the new seal in with a hammer.

      The only special tool I am aware of is seal driver thats used for installing a new seal with the engine in the car. You shouldn't need the tool.

      If the timing cover is still in the car and mounted on the engine, you should still have enough room to pry the old seal out and tap the new seal in, typically I use a small ball peen hammer.

      I suppose you could make a seal driver tool out of a section of correctly sized pipe. Steel would probably work the best, but some heavy wall PVC might work also. Just make sure to cut it evenly.
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        #4
        Service manual shows the tool. Part #T61P-6019-B. $70 from Motorcraft.

        I never knew of the tool 'til I was flipping through the service manual.
        Last edited by monterey1962; 04-04-2010, 12:01 AM.

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          #5
          yeah thats the tool I was talking about. Basically all it does is protect the end of the crankshaft from getting hit with the hammer while the seal is being installed with the cover mounted on the engine.

          Like I was saying... a piece of correctly sized pipe will do the same thing.
          a very large, deep well socket would also work.
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            #6
            Not to argue what you're saying, but the manual states (in this instance) that it is for alignment only.

            Page 21-21-21 of '89 CV/GM/LTC Service Manual

            Step 8. Install the cylinder front cover to seal alignment tool into the proper position.

            Step 9. It may be necessary to force the cover downward to slightly compress the pan gasket. This operation can be facilitated by using Front Cover Aligner T61P-6019-B or equivalent, at the front cover attaching hole locations.

            Step 10. Coat the threads of the attaching screws with oil resistant Pipe Sealant with Teflon D8AZ-19554-A or equivalent and install the screws. While pushing in on the alignment tool, tighten the oil pan-to-cover attaching screws to 9-11 lb-ft. Tighten the cover-to-block attaching screws to specifications. Remove the pilot.

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              #7
              still not sure what purpose that would serve that the dowel pins would not.
              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

              Originally posted by phayzer5
              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

              Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                #8
                Originally posted by monterey1962 View Post
                Not to argue what you're saying, but the manual states (in this instance) that it is for alignment only.
                Guess I am thinking of a different tool. there is one that looks very similar to the picture you posted, except it has a raised collar. you use to drive a new seal in place when the timing cover is installed on the engine.

                I am also confused as to what purpuse this "alignment" tool serves.
                As Gadget pointed out, the front crank seal doesn't come close to touching the crankshaft. Once the seal is installed in the front cover its automatically centered.
                Personally, I don't see the need for such a tool.
                I have installed more than several timing covers on engines and had no problems with "seal alignment"
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                  #9
                  88grandmarq, I think I know which tool you're talking about. I agree with you guys, why need the tool if there are positioning dowels. It must be one of those "you gotta have this" tools so someone can make money. 22 pages of Ford special service tools

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                    #10
                    never used a special tool justin......i must have had 100 timing covers off of small block fords over the yrs

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                      #11
                      I think the way older 302's had a timing cover that didn't use dowel pins. I have a really old small block ford rebuild book from the 70's that specifically says "nothing accurately positions the front cover to the front of the engine block" and lists some stupid method for aligning it correctly. Also looks like the seal installed the opposite way from how it is on our cars.


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