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    Irregular running and alot of codes......

    Hi,
    My 85 cfi colony park let me down today. After a drive to a shop, is couldn't restart. Only holding the pedal in it could start. When letting the pedal go it died. So 2 foot driving home.
    The engine is not running fine. Only when hot it's kind of fine (with some stumble). When cold it stumbles like hell. It starts fine.
    I have new plugs, new rotor and cap,
    I have chanced the distributor with a spare which was good. The tfi is about a year old. New act and ect. Egr is blocked of. I checked for vacuum leaks, small ones found and solved. New water pump and thermostat (180). Timing at 12 degrees. The timing is very unregular with spout connected. Also in the same manner enginespeed. Disconected rocksolid. I suspect the engine not to get hot. There is water on the dipstick. It is not loosing water. It has mostly 5 mile drives. Once a month 400.

    I checked for codes.
    KOEO:
    14, 21, 31, 41, 51, 53, 63

    KOER:
    21, 31, 32, 33, 34, 41

    Egr related i understand. EGO perhaps not being hot? Tps, i more than once checked it. Ect is new??? PIP? Tfi gone bad again? Or is my eec the problem, or voltage?
    Any thoughts?

    Adam
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    My other cars: 1986 Mustang GT 1967 Ford Fairlane 500, 2dr hrtp under construction
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    #2
    what brand TFI did you get? I've heard of non-motorcraft ones dying very quickly
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      #3
      Sounds like the EGR valve may be jammed open, probably full of carbon chunks. REmove the EGR valve and see if the ports are all clogged up with junk. If you have the iron intake with a seperate spacer under the CFI unit, you might want to pull the CFI unit off and remove the whole spacer to make cleaning easier. I believe the aluminum intake has the EGR valve boss cast into the intake, and its not removable. if you have the EGR cooler, remove that and clean it out too. It will be an oval metal thing with 2 small coolant lines connected to it. It lives between the EGR valve and the intake manifold or egr spacer.
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        #4
        move your egr valve to whatever position that allows it to stay running fully. Mine started doing this so i took off the vacuum line and capped it in the closed position on the diaphragm hasn't done it ever since.

        NOTE: Get rid of the egr cooler. a service bulletin was posted about it to remove it as it promotes growth of carbon.
        Last edited by MattsLincoln; 01-03-2011, 12:13 AM.

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          #5
          The egr is already out of the car for 5 months. A egr delete plate is mounted. The vacuum is capped off and the sensor with connected is ziptied to the firewall. So it can't be stuck.

          It now starts fine, only after a stop. During getting the codes it ran on it's own and relative as usual. The pip, 14, fault must be the stalling reason.

          But it also gives codes on new parts is whats worries me.

          Adam
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          My other cars: 1986 Mustang GT 1967 Ford Fairlane 500, 2dr hrtp under construction

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            #6
            Forgive me asking the obvious, but did you clear codes after installing new parts? Disconnect the battery and take a few swigs of beer and then reconnect it.
            Originally posted by gadget73
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              #7
              Originally posted by 91waggin View Post
              Forgive me asking the obvious, but did you clear codes after installing new parts? Disconnect the battery and take a few swigs of beer and then reconnect it.
              Mmmmmm. I did not do that.....

              I will give it a try, but 14 is a new one (I've checked it alot).

              I will change the TFI unit also.

              Will the old codes let the engine run in "limp" mode?

              regards,

              Adam
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              My other cars: 1986 Mustang GT 1967 Ford Fairlane 500, 2dr hrtp under construction

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                #8
                Originally posted by 1990LTD View Post
                what brand TFI did you get? I've heard of non-motorcraft ones dying very quickly
                It is a "standard" tfi.

                It now has a 1986 distributor, that might also be a problem in a 1985. Since the vanes are different?

                Are they compatible, the originl distr came with the car. It says e5te-12a332-ba w/mod bas.
                ???
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                  #9
                  I had an old Ford mechanic tell me a while back that if it's throwing all kinds of codes it's often the module.

                  Pete
                  Originally posted by gadget73
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                    #10


                    Got it!!! A very nice looking cap was the problem!!!

                    Where the rotor rides against the kap the contactpoint (normaly of graphite?) was totally gone! The rotor made contact with the metal around it, which is totally eaten away.

                    Why is it gone, condensor?

                    I testdrove it and it was butter smooth. No stumble or hessitation or stalling, nothing!
                    I also reset the EEc before ride and read the codes afterwards, KOER and KOEO.
                    Only: 31, which is the egr not installed.

                    I also installed the original vane in the distributor. I will order a rebuild correct distributor to be certain to have a correct one.


                    Regards, from the Netherlands,

                    Adam
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                    My other cars: 1986 Mustang GT 1967 Ford Fairlane 500, 2dr hrtp under construction

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                      #11
                      You cannot use a 1986 distributor in an 85. The 85 has a flat tappet cam with an iron distributor gear. 86 is a roller cam with a steel gear. Putting a steel gear to an iron cam will shred the gear on the camshaft, sprinkling metal bits into the engine oil until the gear is wiped out and you have to replace the cam. Get that distributor out of there and either re-install the 85 unit, or swap the gears over.
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                      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                      Originally posted by phayzer5
                      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

                      Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                        #12
                        That's good to know - my spare is a 86

                        Pete
                        Originally posted by gadget73
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                        1991 S-10, 'Bulldog', 2.5l 5 speed: http://www.grandmarq.net/vb/showthre...375#post698375
                        1985 Town Car, 'Faded Glory', gone but not forgotten. 84/87/91/97 MGMs too.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by gadget73 View Post
                          You cannot use a 1986 distributor in an 85. The 85 has a flat tappet cam with an iron distributor gear. 86 is a roller cam with a steel gear. Putting a steel gear to an iron cam will shred the gear on the camshaft, sprinkling metal bits into the engine oil until the gear is wiped out and you have to replace the cam. Get that distributor out of there and either re-install the 85 unit, or swap the gears over.
                          It is ordered!

                          Thanks for the advice!!!

                          It has run with it for more than a year.

                          Adam
                          Click on picture to see the video!

                          My other cars: 1986 Mustang GT 1967 Ford Fairlane 500, 2dr hrtp under construction

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Deermann View Post

                            It has run with it for more than a year.

                            Adam
                            maybe you should get a magnetic oil pan drain plug(s)..
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                              #15
                              It won't destroy things immediately, but its not a good idea. If its out of an 86 truck, that should be an iron gear in which case its fine.
                              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                              Originally posted by phayzer5
                              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

                              Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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