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    engine knocking....

    whats up everyone, been a long time but here i am....last time i posted was a few months ago when an idiot ran a stop sign and T-Boned me perfectly.

    heres the problem...car has been moved 2 or 3 times a month do to a short it had. it was fixed and as i started to drive it again, about 30mins into driving the car, the engine started knocking....i figured the oil had turned into sludge with all those months sitting there in the cold temps and no oil getting into the rest of the engine so i changed the oil and filter. knocking disappeared for about 1 day but now is knocking again. here are the symptoms:

    -theres no stalling whatsoever,
    -car runs fine, when on idle, it idles fine,
    -knocking of course gets louder when i accelerate,
    -red engine light flickers for a few minutes during driving, and finally stays on right before engine begins to knock which usually takes about 30 to 45 minutes into driving right after i turn it on.
    -sounds louder from the driver side of the engine, could even be heard underneath the car,
    -theres no drop in power, if i accelerate, the car responds perfectly,

    i took it to my mechanic and he ran a diagnostics and the egr and tps sensors came up....he switched em out and the knocking is still there. he finally heard it in person and said it was a bad rod...my buddy and i think it might be a shitty lifter. what do you guys think?

    #2
    if your engine light of death is comming on, id say you have an oil pressure issue. why? there are a few reasons

    1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham 2-Door 302/ 5-speed -special blend (GMGT)
    1987 Lincoln Mark VII 5-speed (Errand runner)
    1989 Mercury Grand Marquis (Base Runner)
    2007 Lincoln Town Car Signature Limited (Hustlyn)
    2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (Down with O.P.P)

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      #3
      oil light is usually rod or main bearing problems. If you want to confirm it, hook up a timing light. Two knocks per flash is bottom end, one knock per flash is valvetrain. Oil light behavior really makes me lean towards worn bottom end parts though.
      86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
      5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

      91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

      1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

      Originally posted by phayzer5
      I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

      Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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        #4
        perfect opertunity for a performance upgrade!

        1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham 2-Door 302/ 5-speed -special blend (GMGT)
        1987 Lincoln Mark VII 5-speed (Errand runner)
        1989 Mercury Grand Marquis (Base Runner)
        2007 Lincoln Town Car Signature Limited (Hustlyn)
        2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (Down with O.P.P)

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          #5
          funny thing u mentioned that marquisman....im looking at some gt40 heads...some 1.7 roller rockers(possibly 1.6 but i dont want to mess with the cam right now, unless this issue turns out to be the bearings like gadget mentioned, then ill get a B-cam and the 1.6 rockers), of course the push rods, lifters, ive also got a HO upper and lower intake laying around somewhere that i could throw on if i have some time...besides the problem at hand and the throttle cable linkage....i think its time for an upgrade....what else do you guys recommend?

          i already have bbk headers on it, full 2.5" custom exhaust(h-pipe), no cats, dual flowmaster super 40's, and a set of 3.55's waiting to go on in the rear.....

          i really hope its a lifter, rod, valve, even a spring...i can fix that, just not the bearings...

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            #6
            oil light means bottom end problems

            1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
            2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
            1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
            1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
            2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
            1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

            please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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              #7
              If its got bearing problems, honestly its a better value to just swap in a whole fresh engine vs rebuilding the bottom end and then changing the heads. The engine really ought to come out to do the bottom end stuff. Once you do the bottom end and the heads, you've got almost a fresh engine, but it still has crappy pistons and old rings. For all that you can just pick up an HO shortblock and put your heads on. That would give you a solid bottom end and the better pistons, and whatever top end you want.
              86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
              5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

              91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

              1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

              Originally posted by phayzer5
              I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

              Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                #8
                copy that......for the mean time i started to dismantle the upper and lower intakes...for now imma call it a day...ill keep you guys posted and of course, i know how much you guys love pics....ill post those up tomorrow....

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                  #9
                  Have you had the oil pressure checked? May just be the oil pump or plugged oil pickup. But if it is knocking, hope you havent driven it that way too much. If you havent driven it that way too much it may be okay. May check for metal in the oil.

                  2011 Grand Marquis LS Ultimate Edition
                  Dual Exhaust w/ AP XLerator mufflers and 3 1/2" tips, Eibach 1" rear sway bar, Pioneer Head unit and speakers, 17X8 Drag DR-72 wheels

                  RIP 1984 2Dr Crown Vic "The Millennium Falcon"
                  Carbed 5.0 HO w/nitrous , Performer RPM intake, GT40P heads, E303 cam, FRP Shorties, FRP 9mm plug wires, Off-Road H-pipe, Magnaflow round mufflers, 2000 rpm stall
                  NA-15.78@91.21, 80hp shot-14.48@96.21

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                    #10
                    here are the pics guys...let me know if you see anything out of the ordinary...
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                      #11
                      heres the rest...
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                        #12
                        I see a motor that has seen very occasional oil changes, but otherwise nothing abnormal. Nothing in any of those pictures will make the engine lose oil pressure. All of that stuff is in the cam bearings or the main bearings.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

                        Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                          #13
                          bump...since im switching over to the HO upper...ive already switched the linkage on the throttle body to accommodate the ltd accel. and shift linkage. problem is, on the original/stock spacer there are two(2) holes on the back part of it to screw in and attach a plate that holds a couple of harnesses and also holds the throttle/shift linkage in place to simply hook up underneath the throttle body....and on the bigger spacer those 2 holes do not exist...
                          what do you guys recommend or what have guys done to accommodate and hold the throttle/shift linkage unit in place? heres a pic of what i mean...
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                          i also still have the original spacer, dont really wanna have that one machined and bored out, but if i have to i will....thing is its pretty beat up, and well im having a hell of a time trying to take it off from the upper plenum lol....

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                            #14
                            The usual fix is machine out the stock spacer, or get another stock spacer thats not all messed up and have it bored out. You can make a bracket to fit up to the HO one to give you the throttle bracket mounting points tho. I've seen some where people have drilled and tapped the spacer to attach a flat plate of metal to give the lower stock bracket mounting ear.
                            86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                            5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                            91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                            1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                            Originally posted by phayzer5
                            I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

                            Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                              #15
                              The only thing out of the ordinary I see, is the the crappy 2G alternator is still in there.

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