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    Swapping Powertrains

    So I made a really neat discovery on my 87 - not only does it have a Jasper transmission - it also has a Jasper motor!!! Old man didn't know what his brother in law mechanic did, but the stickers on both, gray paint, smooth running operation, lack of smoke, and new dorman freeze plugs say all. Called Jasper up and they confirmed it

    I am interested in keeping the 91 (I like the interior/exterior more). The motor in it is fine, and the trans isfine - but the Jasper stuff would be worth switching over.

    So now I'm creating a huge headache. I know they are compatible no problem there, just switch any applicable wiring harnesses.

    My questions come to methods for removal....I've only done FWD Tauruses - Drop whole subframe with it tied together. RWD is my first go 'round.

    Is it doable to remove the engine and trans as an assy and snake it out the top using a cherry picker? Or what do you guys recommend on doing?
    -Nick M.
    Columbia, SC

    66 Squire, 89 Colony Park, 90 TC, 03 TC, 06 TC, 07 TC (2x)
    03 BMW 540iT, 07 Toyota Tundra SR5 Dbl Cab/5.7 2WD
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    On any drivetrain pull I've done to a rear wheel drive I have always just unbolted the transmission from the engine and pulled separately. I mostly have done this due to clearance issues though I dont have a warehouse sized garage and can't really move my puller around too well with both attached to it. It's usually not a big deal to just unbolt the tranny
    1985 LTD Crown Victoria - Currently restoring after she caught fire! CFI to SEFI to Carb swap, all custom wiring, Duraspark 2 ignition, Motorcraft 2100 Carb, slicktop, Shorty headers dumped before rear axle, 140 Speedo, 3G alt, And currently building an engine for her.

    2000 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series - 165XXX, PI intake swap , 30 MPG Easy on the Highway, All options except dual exhaust. Currently looking for 2 front seats: Heated, Memory, and Light Graphite color!!

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      #3
      It is very doable with a rated cherry picker to pull out the trans/engine as one unit! I've done it a few times, I recommend removing the hood.
      1989 Lincoln TownCar with Mark VI Front Clip, 3G Alternator, Hella Headlights, Dual exhaust, FlowerMaster 70 series, '90 tubular exhaust manifolds, 1" Phenolic Spacer, Bored out stock EGR Spacer, 60mm HO TB, CVPI Power Steering Box, 18" Niche Alloy's, Monroe Sensatracs.

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        #4
        I've done it both ways numerous times. I actually prefer pulling the engine and trans out as one.
        2020 F250 - 7.3 4x4 CCSB STX 3.55's - BAKFlip MX4
        2005 Grand Marquis GS - Marauder sway bars, Marauder exhaust, KYB's
        2003 Marauder - Trilogy # 8, JLT, kooks, 2.5" exhaust, 4.10's/31 spline, widened rear's, metco's, addco's, ridetech's 415hp/381tq
        1987 Colony Park - 03+ frame swap, blown Gen II Coyote, 6R80, ridetechs, stainless works, absolute money pit. WIP

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          #5
          I also prefer doing as a unit.



          87 Ford LTD Crown Victoria Country Squire Station Wagon. 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, Boxed LCA's, Explorer Intake, 65mm T-body, 'Stang Cam, 'Stang Air tube, K&N, GT-40X Heads, 1" Spacer, 1 5/8 BBK's, 2.5" Pypes X-pipe w/high flow cats, Single Chamber Thunderbolts, B&M 'vertor, Po-lice Swaybars.

          91 Mercury Grand Marquis Colony Park Station Wagon. K-Code, 4.10's, Repacked Trac Loc, MK VII LSC Engine, 'Stang Upper Intake, Stang Air Tube, K&N, 65 mm T-Body, 'Stang Headers, 'Stang Cat Pipe,'Stang Torque Convertor, 2 Chamber Thunderbolts.

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            #6
            +1 remove hood.

            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
            rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

            Originally posted by gadget73
            ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

            Originally posted by dmccaig
            Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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              #7
              Off with the hood. Got it.

              Removing as a unit looks like a reasonable way to do it. Car weighs 4 tons, so a 4 ton cherry picker should be sufficient (Harbor Freight?). I can lay the assembly down on a bed of used tires to keep pans from crushing. I have a 1.5 car garage and a driveway in front of the entry to the garage barely long enough for a wagon to fit before the backyard grass.

              Once I figure out a game plan for doing this job, I'll have a few more questions to follow, but this at least seems like a doable task for a shadetree "mechanic".
              -Nick M.
              Columbia, SC

              66 Squire, 89 Colony Park, 90 TC, 03 TC, 06 TC, 07 TC (2x)
              03 BMW 540iT, 07 Toyota Tundra SR5 Dbl Cab/5.7 2WD

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                #8
                Pull the hood, and then engine and tranny as a unit.
                It's a lot easier than it looks!!
                A friend to help with a few small things would be nice but not a requirement.

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                  #9
                  1000 pound cherry picker would be fine for a 302+AOD I have numerous coupons for the half ton foldable unit for $99. a full one ton rig would be more than enough.

                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                  rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                  Originally posted by gadget73
                  ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                  Originally posted by dmccaig
                  Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                    #10
                    Yea, pulling both out as a unit is quicker. Just remove the hood and make sure the car is off the ground high enough.

                    1981 Mercury Marquis Brougham 2-Door 302/ 5-speed -special blend (GMGT)
                    1987 Lincoln Mark VII 5-speed (Errand runner)
                    1989 Mercury Grand Marquis (Base Runner)
                    2007 Lincoln Town Car Signature Limited (Hustlyn)
                    2011 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor (Down with O.P.P)

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                      #11
                      guess i'm the weird one here

                      i pull the trans, then remove the engine

                      the 87 longblock will fit right in the 91, you will need to use the 91 wiring tho.

                      1986 lincoln towncar signature series. 5.0 HO with thumper performance ported e7 heads, 1.7 roller rockers, warm air intake, 65mm throttle body, 1/2" intake spacer, ported intakes, 3.73 rear with trac lock, 98-02 front brake conversion, 92-97 rear disc conversion, 1" rear swaybar, 1 3/16" front swaybar, 16" wheels and tires, loud ass stereo system, badass cb, best time to date 15.94 at 87 mph. lots of mods in the works 221.8 rwhp 278 rwt
                      2006 Lincoln Town Car Signature. Stock for now
                      1989 Ford F-250 4x4 much much more to come, sefi converted so far.
                      1986 Toyota pickup with LSC wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
                      2008 Hyundai Elantra future Revcon toad
                      1987 TriBurner and 1986 Alaska stokers keeping me warm. (and some pesky oil heat)

                      please be patient, rebuilding an empire!

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                        #12
                        WHat gear do you guys have that is able to lift an engine + trans out of one of these things in one piece? Good lord, it would need to pull the motor like 6 feet up to get it and the trans up and out of the hole, and hold about 1500 lbs of weight stably while doing it. Most engine hoists are only good for about 1000 with it all the way out, which is where it needs to be in order to reach a motor in a Panther. Maybe with an overhead beam trolly rig, but not with any cherry picker I've ever used. Do it on a Lincoln and you really need to remove the front bumper in order to get enough room. The plate on my car has been smashed to hell from engine swaps.
                        86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
                        5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley

                        91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry

                        1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal

                        Originally posted by phayzer5
                        I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers

                        Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it works

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                          #13
                          engine weight is about 550... trans is about 350-400... should be less than 1000 pounds all together. and if you're careful, you can inch the whole works back and level it out to clear the header panel (ie, once the trans clears the tunnel... lower the car... then get someone on the tailshaft to help level it out on the hook and pull over the header).

                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                          rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                          Originally posted by gadget73
                          ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                          Originally posted by dmccaig
                          Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by gadget73 View Post
                            WHat gear do you guys have that is able to lift an engine + trans out of one of these things in one piece? Good lord, it would need to pull the motor like 6 feet up to get it and the trans up and out of the hole, and hold about 1500 lbs of weight stably while doing it. Most engine hoists are only good for about 1000 with it all the way out, which is where it needs to be in order to reach a motor in a Panther. Maybe with an overhead beam trolly rig, but not with any cherry picker I've ever used. Do it on a Lincoln and you really need to remove the front bumper in order to get enough room. The plate on my car has been smashed to hell from engine swaps.
                            This is why I always do them separately too. Just not enough room. I'm sure my picker could handle the weight but it would be a bear to move my picker around all the other obstacles in my garage with the weight
                            1985 LTD Crown Victoria - Currently restoring after she caught fire! CFI to SEFI to Carb swap, all custom wiring, Duraspark 2 ignition, Motorcraft 2100 Carb, slicktop, Shorty headers dumped before rear axle, 140 Speedo, 3G alt, And currently building an engine for her.

                            2000 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series - 165XXX, PI intake swap , 30 MPG Easy on the Highway, All options except dual exhaust. Currently looking for 2 front seats: Heated, Memory, and Light Graphite color!!

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                              #15
                              And I just had an offer from a friend to help me make this happen at his place, I just will have to drive both wagons 20 miles out into the sticks. And rent/buy an engine hoist capable of the weight.

                              Wiring harnesses will be staying with the respective vehicle.

                              I am quite anxious/excited about doing this - was not expecting this in a sub $1000 vehicle. And as a side note, am working with another friend on having the 91 resprayed to its original color since most of the original paint/clear is failing, as well as fixing the rust holes. A good project in early 2014. Then I can take both the 91 Wagon and the 97 SHO to the all Ford show in town to display in April.
                              -Nick M.
                              Columbia, SC

                              66 Squire, 89 Colony Park, 90 TC, 03 TC, 06 TC, 07 TC (2x)
                              03 BMW 540iT, 07 Toyota Tundra SR5 Dbl Cab/5.7 2WD

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