Unless you're running substantially more cam than stock, you don't need 24 lb injectors. The a9p, Mark VIII MAF and 24 lb will mostly work, but it will quite possibly still need a tune.
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86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley
91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry
1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal
Originally posted by phayzer5
I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers
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Originally posted by Mr. Land Yacht
Not that this makes a goddamn bit of difference....
Nope.Builder/Owner of Badass Panther Wagons
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Ok, I am going to go ahead and say it now.
You people and wanting to go mass air with a lopo are SMOKING CRACK.
There. I said it.1983 Grand Marquis 2Dr Sedan "Mercules"
Tremec TKO conversion, hydraulic clutch, HURST equipped!
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Originally posted by Grand_Marquis_GT
No way......Even crack heads have enough sense not to do that....
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Originally posted by Mr. Land Yacht
I doubt it. The harness pigtail is probably diferent, and the number of pins may also be different. You need to do some more serious research.
What is the size of a MarkVIII MAF sensor?
Why aren't you just running a Mustang MAF sensor and 19# injectors?Comment
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The mark 8 sensor is 80MM...1983 Grand Marquis 2Dr Sedan "Mercules"
Tremec TKO conversion, hydraulic clutch, HURST equipped!
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Look guys, I just don't want to have to spend a lot of money on a tuning device. I also don't want to have to learn how to tune. I also would like to not have to tune everytime I get a wild hair. Mass air just makes life easier.
It leaves the door unlocked for future mods. I can swap the intake/tb/heads without worrying about running lean. (within the spec of the injectors and MAF meter)
SD runs a little on the rich side. Converting to MAF can get you 2-3 mpg. I hear gas will get to/over $4 by the year's end. Every little helps.
Sure, you may be able to make more power with SD, but I'm looking for efficient power and ease of use with no hassles on my future mod plans.Project \"Fire and Ice\":
1989 LTC
My worst enemies are those who presume me to be harmless. They cannot imagine how much I resent and disdain them, or just how great a threat they would face if I could get at them. Everything in their behavior speaks of insult and presumptuousness, and for now it is all I can do to make constructive use of my anger toward them. At this time, I just make a list of them and keep a watch on. Some day, with the help of time, space, and circumstance, I will be able to humiliate them properly - not in a manner they would enjoy, but in a style calculated to make them wish that they had never been born.
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Converting to MAF on a stock engine does not make it run any better or more efficient.
Also, adding more air flow to an engine (better heads, larger T/B) on a stock or near stock application does NOT require you re-tune the engine. the stock ECM (SD or MAF) is adaptible enough to compensate for those changes, as long as the air flow reading is correct (MAP or MAF) the 02 sensors read correctly and there are no Vaccum leaks. the ECM will constantly adjust to reach 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio.
the only time you need to tune the ECM calibration is when you have entered in a factor the stock programming cannot accomodate, like larger than stock MAF,bigger fuel injectors or more displacement.2003 Town Car Signature - 3.27 RAR, Dual exhaust and J-mod - SOLD 9/2011
89 Crown Victoria LX HPP -- SOLD 9/2010
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The most important part of that. The manifold vacuum is very important. My car has low vacuum, not from leaks but from crap heads, and the motor runs too rich as a result. I would actually slightly benifit from mass air, however in my case it would be a bandaid for a bigger problem. If the motor isn't messed up and it pulls strong vacuum, the mass air will do little to nothing that SD won't.Originally posted by 88grandmarq86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley
91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry
1984 Lincoln Continental TurboDiesel - rolls coal
Originally posted by phayzer5
I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers
Everything looks like voodoo if you don't understand how it worksComment
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What about cams? Could I get away with say, an E303 swap? Perhaps something a little wilder? What about a GT-40 intake? Heads?the only time you need to tune the ECM calibration is when you have entered in a factor the stock programming cannot accomodate, like larger than stock MAF,bigger fuel injectors or more displacement.
So you're saying that SD has about the same window to mod in as MAF?Project \"Fire and Ice\":
1989 LTC
My worst enemies are those who presume me to be harmless. They cannot imagine how much I resent and disdain them, or just how great a threat they would face if I could get at them. Everything in their behavior speaks of insult and presumptuousness, and for now it is all I can do to make constructive use of my anger toward them. At this time, I just make a list of them and keep a watch on. Some day, with the help of time, space, and circumstance, I will be able to humiliate them properly - not in a manner they would enjoy, but in a style calculated to make them wish that they had never been born.
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damnit !!!!
I had a long response typed out and the forum software logged me out and I lost it.
Fuck it.... you dont get a response, figure it out for yourself.2003 Town Car Signature - 3.27 RAR, Dual exhaust and J-mod - SOLD 9/2011
89 Crown Victoria LX HPP -- SOLD 9/2010
88 Grand Marquis LS - The Original -- Totaled 5/2006
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Grouchy bastard!Originally posted by 88grandmarq1983 Grand Marquis 2Dr Sedan "Mercules"
Tremec TKO conversion, hydraulic clutch, HURST equipped!
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no one would pay attention to what I said anyway.... whats the point?2003 Town Car Signature - 3.27 RAR, Dual exhaust and J-mod - SOLD 9/2011
89 Crown Victoria LX HPP -- SOLD 9/2010
88 Grand Marquis LS - The Original -- Totaled 5/2006
I rebuild AOD/AODE/4R70W/4R75E transmissions....Check out my Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/North...48414635312478Comment
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Sad, but true...
1983 Grand Marquis 2Dr Sedan "Mercules"
Tremec TKO conversion, hydraulic clutch, HURST equipped!
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Dude! I'm paying attention! I was the one with the question!
Ever since I joined here, I have been led to believe that SD had no flexibility whatsoever without tuning. Everything in stone and shit, right?
Now you come along and rock my panther boat with your talk of easy SD modding! I was thinking about it all day! I couldn't wait to get home and read the responses in this thread.
Fuck it...you don't get anymore questions. :yuck: I'm going MAF!Last edited by Roach III; 07-25-2006, 08:29 PM.Project \"Fire and Ice\":
1989 LTC
My worst enemies are those who presume me to be harmless. They cannot imagine how much I resent and disdain them, or just how great a threat they would face if I could get at them. Everything in their behavior speaks of insult and presumptuousness, and for now it is all I can do to make constructive use of my anger toward them. At this time, I just make a list of them and keep a watch on. Some day, with the help of time, space, and circumstance, I will be able to humiliate them properly - not in a manner they would enjoy, but in a style calculated to make them wish that they had never been born.
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