Explorer to Box

[Mercracer]

MMM, I like that idea. However I believe all you would have to do is swap the yoke or the tail housing on the 4r70w. I'm kicking myslef for not getting a complete v8 2wd explorer for my swap when I had the chance.

Most are going to be from awd Mountaineer/Explorer donors which would require a tear down and a tail shaft swap with a conventional tail housing bolted on. When I do a WI salvage search for a 2wd I only come up with two (none local) vs a whole page for 4wd (several local).

[86VickyLX]

Mike, I was under the impression that they were all AWD.

Most are going to be from awd Mountaineer/Explorer donors which would require a tear down and a tail shaft swap with a conventional tail housing bolted on. When I do a WI salvage search for a 2wd I only come up with two (none local) vs a whole page for 4wd (several local).

Could do a v6 4r70w too they have the same amount of clutches as the v8 version.

[Crownvicman289]

What's the appeal of OBDII? Most would cringe at the wiring. Didn't the T-birds get a 5.0 and AODE/4R70W at some point? Because I know the 94-95 Mustangs got the 5.0/AODE setup which is capable of controlling a 4R70W is it not?

[mrltd]

ODBII has so much more info at your fingertips. Not that much more wiring- the harness I have looks quite similar to a standard old eec4

Ed, yes I know. However I've been under a few, and there was one that was at the place I picked up my T-bird IRS. All they pulled out was the rear and scrapped the rest of the truck- engine trans, everything. I was sad. Would have made an awesome donor. I think it was 96 only and probably all from Florida.

[gadget73]

Mostly the OBD2 appeal is in the data feedback and the ability to tune it. Its probably about as tuneable as eec4 but the programmers are cheaper.

[85ltd]

I have another question. I have a rebuilt non-roller 5.0 in it right now. Less than 500 miles, but I didn't build it up for anything special. Can I just put the sefi onto it with maf, and get a stouter cam; and still get close to the power of the roller engines? Because that is the cheapest route for the time being, and money has become an issue for the car until it gets better gas mileage. I know the engine won't take as kindly to the turbo, but maybe I will be able to buy a forged internal roller by then. Thanks again for all the comments, this has been a great help.

[Mercracer]

It depends how it was "rebuilt" and what pistons are in it. Quality of cylinder finish, etc contributes significantly to power output.

[gadget73]

You can do a better cam but if you're looking to go multiport, it will need to be something either basically compatible with HO specs, or you'll need to tune the ECM to handle the cam you fit in there. Not all of those early pistons have valve reliefs either, so you'll need to be careful there. No reason SEFI can't co-exist with a non-roller motor but you will need to have the proper distributor gear, which will mean you keep your current distributor. I probably would not turbo an engine with stock crap cast pistons tho.

[85ltd]

What are the HO cam specs? I was thinking of a .480 lift/intake cam with 268ish duration or so. Is that a lot more than HO? I have new pistons that are stock replacement with 4 relief valves in them. The heads were cleaned up and pressure tested. Sent the crank, block, and heads to machine shop, so all of that stuff is as fresh as the originals can be. And I won't turbo it then, that can happen as soon as I get enough money for a nicer setup. I just know that sefi is easier to deal with, better gas mileage, and more power (because its mod-able) than cfi.

Going to school everyday with 52 mile round trip puts a hurting on the wallet, even when I'm working. But I can work on my car at school because I'm in the auto tech class.

[Crownvicman289]

I didn't think anyone here would have cared about that that much. My truck is OBDII and even though it's PCM is only partially hacked, there's still an amazing amount of info coming out of it. On the flip side, I took a peek at some of the stuff on the 94-95 Mustang, which is still EECIV, and was pretty suprised at how much was on there too. I thought EECV had more pins.

[86VickyLX]

I didn't think anyone here would have cared about that that much. My truck is OBDII and even though it's PCM is only partially hacked, there's still an amazing amount of info coming out of it. On the flip side, I took a peek at some of the stuff on the 94-95 Mustang, which is still EECIV, and was pretty suprised at how much was on there too. I thought EECV had more pins.

The most, 94 and 95 were pretty much the early OBD-II prep models. Some 95s were actually OBD-II compliant, with the DLC under the dash as it is today, with a little mixup between pins 4 and 5 of the dlc connector.

OBD II (EEC V) has about, 120 pins I believe.

I would love to have data stream capabilites, and I really can't do that unless I were to go the route of a '94-'95 Mustang computer, and an AODE/4R70w swap (or tune to remove electronic transmission) or an OBD-II swap. Then the other choice I have is a Quarterhorse or a Tweecer on my existing setup.
However, OBD-II has a superior adaptive memory/ fuel strategies as compared to the early OBD-I (94 and 95 I am not too sure). I think my mom's 94 showed fuel trim figures. But it's been over a year since I looked at the car with the red brick.

[gadget73]

SN95 5 speed ECM. No tuning to remove AODE stuff that way. The bitch of the SN95 ecm is how much re-pinning of the harness is required. I forget exactly how many pins need to move, but its a significant number. The big reason the Fox stuff is popular is because it doesn't require much work to make it go.

[Crownvicman289]

What about the T-Bird EEC's? Did they have the data stream? Their pinouts are pretty much the same as the 94-95 Mustangs. I have an auto 94-95 stang puter I'd let go, decided not to do it because it lacks the pin 34 for my digidash. Yes, I'm that much of a bitch, but after being carbed the whole time and seeing that digidash work for the first time ever, it makes the car feel a lot more refined. Click for the pinout differences. http://fordfuelinjection.com/5.0Lpinouts.html

[86VickyLX]

What about the T-Bird EEC's? Did they have the data stream? Their pinouts are pretty much the same as the 94-95 Mustangs. I have an auto 94-95 stang puter I'd let go, decided not to do it because it lacks the pin 34 for my digidash. Yes, I'm that much of a bitch, but after being carbed the whole time and seeing that digidash work for the first time ever, it makes the car feel a lot more refined. Click for the pinout differences. http://fordfuelinjection.com/5.0Lpinouts.html

You sure they didn't just move it? They're not listing anything for any of the other computer pinouts, which we all know what they have... so... it's possible it's in another position.