Sorry to blow up, but im at a cross roads. I have a beautiful '91 CV, but i have the opportunity to trade it for a similarly low mileage '00 GM. Both are under 150k, and are nearly pristine interior wise and presentable exterior wise. But, the '00 is better out of the box(no pun). Ive always loved the 'old school' styling of the box, but the '00 is sleaker and with a couple Marauder parts, could be made more aggressive looking. The only catch is; the '00 has a cooling problem(maybe head gaskets). The labor and the parts dont bother me. What really bothers me is trading my box to a used car dealer and some ass-hat buys it and puts scissor doors and those ridiculous wagon wheels on it, completely ruining my old ride!l Also, Im familiar with mods, but i speak pushrod pretty fluently. I understand the mods can handle some boost fairly reliably, but a built 393 in a whale would be pretty rad. Thats right, i said "rad". What opinions do u guys have on my situation? Id love to know from the panther community.
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1992 SHO(what's left of it)
1986 F-150(rust and option free)
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1987 T-bird(dead 3.wait, SHO swap in store)
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I'd keep the 91. I regret to no end trading mine in.
I'd be very wary of the 00 and the issues. Cooling problems and aluminum heads =bad news.Builder/Owner of Badass Panther Wagons
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I agree 1000% with mrltd, keep the 91, nice whales are everywhere, nice boxes aren't!!Originally posted by mrltd View PostComment
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The 91 is cheaper to modify. The 91 is in better condition. stick with it.
85 4 door 351 Civi Crown Victoria - Summer daily driver, sleeper in the making, and wildly inappropriate autocross machine
160KMs 600cfm holley, shorty headers, 2.5" catted exhaust, 255/295 tires, cop shocks, cop swaybars, underdrive pulley, 2.73L gears.
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+1 keep the 91.
x infinity cooling issues and mod motors don't play nice.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)
Originally posted by gadget73
... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.
Originally posted by dmccaig
Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.Comment
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I would keep the box. Like these guys said, it's cheaper to mod boxes. I would swap in a 408W stroker if you're looking for a solid and mean boulevard cruiser. I've been told that a 393W stroker is more difficult to balance than a 408W. IDK why that is; but that's what I have been told by different sources.
Now, if you get the '00 MGM; I would think about dropping a 5.4L in there and modify the engine. If I had one of those cars; that's what I would do with it.
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If the '91 is in good shape I'd keep it!
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keep the box,youll be happier in the long run89 townie, mild exhuast up grades, soon to have loud ass stereo....Comment
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Does the 91 have mechanical problems? if not, trading it for a newer car that has known problems that could be very expensive to fix is not a good idea.86 Lincoln Town Car (Galactica).
5.0 HO, CompCams XE258,Scorpion 1.72 roller rockers, 3.55 K code rear, tow package, BHPerformance ported E7 heads, Tmoss Explorer intake, 65mm throttle body, Hedman 1 5/8" headers, 2.5" dual exhaust, ASP underdrive pulley
91 Lincoln Mark VII LSC grandpa spec white and cranberry
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Originally posted by phayzer5
I drive a Lincoln. I can't be bothered to shift like the peasants and rabble rousers
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if the 00 has overheating/cooling problems it could become very expensive very quickly...and aluminium doest take to low coolant/overheating well at all.....the coolant problem may be a bad/warped intake manifold....assuming it the cooling/overheating problem hasnt already caused significant hidden damage to the motor already,just fixing the existing issues will not be cheap...if you need to replace the intake manifold,you are looking at $250.00.....not including labor and any other misc. parts needed.....worst case...you will need a new motor...i would keep the 91 for two reasons....1 you know what you have(and you like it too)...#2...there are better deals out thereComment
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Originally posted by Lincolnmania
if its got tits or tires it's bound to give you troubleComment
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Keep the box. The fact you are concerned with wagon wheels and scissor doors says enough right there that the moment you hand over the title, you will be rueing the decision even if the car goes to a good home.
Buy the 00 if you want a project (While keeping the box!)
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The box. Hands down haha. The beauty of it is theres just enuf computer stuff to make more power/mpg/ease of driving, yet its a pushrod car that really doesnt have anything so complex you cant figure it out and an afternoon. Plus the style and comfort. I beat a brand new corvette zr1 on slicks (he got a .2 head start) at the strip in the semi finals this year in my street tired/mud on the sides/huntin stuff in the trunk box and needless to say there is no cooler feeling...Finally have an on the books porting/custom fab business!
HO bottom end,GT40Ps,cut/welded/ported upper+lower GT40 intakes,Comp XE258 cam,MS3X megasquirt computer,8 LS2 coils,2 dry systems + a 3rd wet,3 core rad w fans..1100hp Lentech WR AOD,custom 4" aluminum/moly Dshaft,custom rear/back half chassis adjustable 4link,wilwood 4 piston,moser 9" axles,locker, M/T 30x12's,4 staged fuel pumps,100lbs sound insulation,power/remote everything,2000W sound.4480lbs. 4.5s 0-60,12.8 1/4
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Keep the 91 Box as the other guys said the 00s had severe overheating issues and the plastic intake manafold.Comment
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If your '91 still has a solid frame and body, keep it! If you REALLY want a newer style Panther, get one that's already had the plastic intake replaced.'79 Continental Town Car
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