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    Thanks Tiggie and sly . I've asked my dad to acquire some 1/4" coolant hose. I've been thinking I need to take the plenum off of the car anyways, as I've got to do the valve cover gaskets anyways. Are there any other good things to get out of the way while the plenum is off? Any hard to get to vacuum lines, sensors etc under there that are good to get to?

    In other news, it's out with the old and in with the new.
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    What you don't see is that I did the wheel bearings as well. Was going to do the brake hose but I honestly forgot - I take comfort in that they're in good shape, but now I have two new hoses for when they do go bad. I also finally got to use these OEM parts that I've had since my ~1985 Mercury Marquis (the Fox-platform Marquis), which was probably 12 years ago at this point.
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    But as always with old cars, it's two steps forward but one step back. There's finally no wheel bearing noise, the car stops nice and straight and there's no more vibrations from the front brakes. However there's still a vibration when the car stops, which I chalk up to being one or both rear drums. I've had a look at the stuff back there and wheel cylinders etc. looked good, so I probably won't touch that but the drums will have to be replaced. I usually hail the Panthers for being cheap to run thanks to RockAuto and just to give you an example - The drums are $40 a piece, but since they're a bit heavy they'd be here for a total of $162 in todays exchange rate. If I were to purchase them locally, they'd be the same price. A piece. But that will need to be dealt with, those vibrations are driving me nuts now that I'm driving the car at least 25 miles each day in commuting.

    I swapped out the IAC valve and the MAP-sensor, and the car runs much better now. Not that it ran poorly before, but I've noticed a big difference. The thing that surprised me after I swapped those two out is that the car shifts a lot better. 1-2 and 3-4 feel factory smooth and crisp, however 2-3 is still a bit jerky (but also a lot better now). My amateur-theory on the matter is that the old IAC held the engine revs too high when shifting, but I have no technical knowledge or scientific evidence that this is the case. But again, the car runs a lot better now. I've gassed it up to a full tank thrice now (says something about the amount of time it's spent sitting since I bought it, shameful), with MPGs being in the 17s all three times. I think that's a bit high for the driving I do, since my '96 Roadmaster would do 18-19 and my 2002 Crown Victoria that I had before it would get a solid 21 under the same driving circumstances. This will be the first tank with new IAC, new MAP and brakes that aren't sticky (which my mechanic said that the old callipers were), so it will be interesting to see what kind of mileage it gets. Granted, no one buys cars like these for hypermiling, but it's an indication of whether something's wrong if nothing else.

    There's definitely a vacuum leak somewhere, and I'm wondering if it has something to do with the brakes. In park, when I depress the brake pedal I notice a hissing sound under the dash, and I also notice that the idle changes. Plugging the vacuum release for the parking brake was one of the first things I did, so it can't be that. I've yet to run the new smoke machine I've bought so I am unsure exactly where this hissing comes from. Could this be related to my cruise control not working? Does it mean that my power brake booster is about to walk off the job? I'm not well-read enough to have any theories here so I welcome all of your input here gentlemen.

    I'll leave you with two bonus images - The Grand Marquis in its natural habitat (the Costco parking lot) and my 1985 (I think it was) Mercury Marquis that I mentioned earlier. Was a really cool car in its own way, but back then there was no way I could give it the care it needed to get it back on the road, so I wound up selling it to some Russian guy. I wonder if it's been scrapped or if its still out there.
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      You can rule out the cruise control by plugging the vacuum line going to the cruise control servo. Highly likely it is the vacuum dump valve on the brake pedal that hisses when you press the pedal. But if it keeps hissing loudly when you keep the pedal pressed, that isn't normal. A short hiss the quiets down quickly is normal, I think.
      Not to be confused with the whoosh-sound that a large old brake booster does.

      1-2 and 3-4 shifts can feel smoother than 2-3 on the AOD. The AOD is kinda special since it bypasses the torque converter in 3rd and 4th with a secondary direct-drive input shaft. You might've noticed that the car feels way slower in 3rd. That plus the 1-2 shift is normally earlier than 2-3 and the 3-4 shift rarely happens under heavy load.

      While you have the upper intake off its quite a bit easier to get at the vacuum lines. Also much better access for replacing the PCV valve and screen and to check the TV cable bushing.
      1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
      2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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        Since you will have the intake off, I'd do ALL the vacuum lines at that time. You can get to the PCV and screen later but as said, it is much easier since you will now have better access.
        What I Own: 1993 Mercury Grand Marquis GS
        What I Help Maintain: 1996 CV / 1988 CV / 1988 Tempo

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          The vapor line to the charcoal canister... might replace that with at least a short section of fuel line (can be low pressure) to extend beyond the upper intake plenum so replacing the purge line can be done easily. That hose usually turns to mush every 10-15 years. Fuel hose will last 20-30 years.

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            Time to replace the valve cover gaskets, pcv valve and screen with the intake off.

            I used to have a Mercury Marquis like that when I worked in Washington DC in the 80s. Decent commuter car.
            Last edited by Mainemantom; 02-02-2025, 10:34 PM.

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              Thanks gents! When it comes to having the plenum off, does the plenum itself sit on top of some gasket that should be replaced? I'm trying to gather parts for this job, as I'm driving the car abroad on business in April and want to sort out a lot of this stuff beforehand.

              Arquemann do you mean the vacuum line that runs underhood? Or is it a line that runs basically from the brake pedal, through the firewall to the servo? I haven't really poked around in there so I'm not 100% familiar with how it looks. When the pedal is either fully pressed or not pressed at all there's no hissing sound, but when the pedal is somewhere in between then there is that hissing sound. Funny you mention that it's slower in third, because I've noticed that it seems to tire a bit when that gear goes in. Now I know why.

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                Originally posted by Tynnerstroem View Post
                Thanks gents! When it comes to having the plenum off, does the plenum itself sit on top of some gasket that should be replaced? I'm trying to gather parts for this job, as I'm driving the car abroad on business in April and want to sort out a lot of this stuff beforehand.

                Arquemann do you mean the vacuum line that runs underhood? Or is it a line that runs basically from the brake pedal, through the firewall to the servo? I haven't really poked around in there so I'm not 100% familiar with how it looks. When the pedal is either fully pressed or not pressed at all there's no hissing sound, but when the pedal is somewhere in between then there is that hissing sound. Funny you mention that it's slower in third, because I've noticed that it seems to tire a bit when that gear goes in. Now I know why.
                There is a gasket between the upper and lower intake, usually referred as plenum gasket.

                I mean the vacuum supply line that goes from the firewall mounted vacuum tree to the cruise servo. If there's no vacuum to the cruise system and the brake pedal area still hisses, it's not the cruise stuff that leaks.
                1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
                2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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                  Thanks Arquemann! Found the gasket on RockAuto. While on the topic of the cruise, do you know if there's any way I can test to see if the servo functions as it should? I have the smoke machine to hunt for vacuum leaks, but maybe a failing servo doesn't necessary leak outwards. I also have a handheld pump, if that could be of some use.

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                    Here's a writeup on earlier models, I'm sure alot of it is applicable to your '88.

                    Cruise Control Diagnostics 80 - 86
                    1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
                    2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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                      Gentlemen - I come to you and ask for help, since my mechanical knowledge isn't vast enough for me to work this out. I am at my pops place running a smoke test and have found some leaks, and need your input as to whether they might be causing the engine running too fast, or if these leaks "don't matter" (if there are such vacuum leaks). On the way to my dads place the car started stumbling when the A/C-compressor kicked in and out, and the engine ran at such a high speed that the car would run 20 MPH without any throttle input from me. After I turned it off and then on again it ran "properly" (I still feel like it idles a bit high, but it's managable).

                      The idea was that the images should include the smoke coming out but I don't know if it's visible in these images but do know that it's coming out. The questions might come off as stupid and I apologize for it.

                      First, I noticed that there's a leak here, with smoke coming out of it. What is this electrical thing? It has three wires going to it (black, green and red/orange) and is screwed into where the air inlet goes into the throttle body spacer. Since this is before the throttle body, would this leak be affecting how the car runs? Or doesn't it matter, since this is before the IAC-valve?
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                      On the bottom side of whatever that electrical thing in the image above is, there's also smoke coming out. I can't really see what's there, but maybe it's the same part? Or is it something else?
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                      I also noted that there's plenty of smoke coming out of these holes on the EGR. What effect would vacuum leaks have at the EGR? Would it just affect the EGR-operation, or would it affect the way the engine runs at large? And if this is a problem, does this mean I need a new EGR?
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                      Finally, I noticed that there's a vacuum leak here, and that this small piece of hosing that connects the tube looks awful. Since it is a tube that runs from the oil filler tube to the throttle body, are these just for crankcase gases? Or could this be something else?
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                        Looks like the throttle shafts are leaking, one through the TPS. Maybe a slight leak from the throttle body gasket, which is easily fixed.
                        EGR valve has a broken diaphragm, need to replace the whole valve. That'll affect the EGR operation (depending how big a leak) and cause a vacuum leak.
                        The breather hose to the oil fill neck isn't particularly critical, it's just sucking air into the crankcase from there. Obviously filtered air is preferrable, which is why it goes to the intake side.
                        1985 Mercury Grand Marquis LS, "Maisa"
                        2005 Volvo V70 Bi-Fuel

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                          The top photo is the TPS. Since it has Philips screws, it is probably not the original. Make sure it is adjusted properly or you'll have bad issues. As for the EGR, I'd replace it along with the gasket. I'd also repair ANY vacuum leaks you can find as they do add up, even if they are minor. As for parts, try to source OEM whenever possible.
                          What I Own: 1993 Mercury Grand Marquis GS
                          What I Help Maintain: 1996 CV / 1988 CV / 1988 Tempo

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                            Thanks guys! friskyfrankie what's the adjustment with the TPS? Since it leaks I was planning on ordering a new one from RockAuto - when you say adjustment, does that mean that a new one won't be plug-and-play? How do I go about adjusting it?

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                              There are many videos, on YOUTUBE, that show the method. You use a multimeter to check for voltages as you turn it before tightening the screws completely. The voltage has to be in a certain range. That is why you see a slotted area on one end. Some aftermarket parts don't have a slotted area and you have to drill it out of make do with not adjusting it. They are "supposed" to be preset but we all know how well that works out!
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                              What I Own: 1993 Mercury Grand Marquis GS
                              What I Help Maintain: 1996 CV / 1988 CV / 1988 Tempo

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                                friskyfranky wrote: The top photo is the TPS. "Since it has Philips screws, it is probably not the original." ALL my cars have phillips screws from day one.
                                Also, there in NO vaccum lines hooked up to a TPS! WagonMan
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