Want to put a 460 in my lincoln, but i have some questions.

[Mercracer]

hmmm, i never hear about 460's on the track, thats why i ask. .

The World Ford Challenge always had a pile of 460s in brackets and Open Comp. It does not take much to make a 450HP 460. If you can put the power down, a mid 12 second Crown Vic is not hard to have with a 460. Forget about a Top Loader 4 speed. Not enough 1st gear ratio to get that much weight moving.

[Mercracer]

Is the 429 the same engine as a 460? just with fewer cubes

The only difference between a 429 and a 460 is the crank and pistons. Same bore, different stroke. They used the same blocks, rods, etc.
A 429 was everything the 427 was and even better (except for the heads). Large bore and small stroke for high RPMs. The 429 only had a 3.59" stroke which is not far from a 351/352 stroke of 3.5". The 390/406/427 had a 3.78 stroke which was not far off of the 460 stroke.
The 428 crank was too much stroke for high RPMs. A 4" stroke with a poor oiling system was a disaster. The 460 only has a 3.85" stroke. Very large bore with a moderate stroke. fine for 6500RPMs with no special oiling system mods. Try that with a center oiler FE and you have serious issues.

[grandpaslincoln]

And of course, building a 3500 pound car is just the same as a 3000 pound car, just takes a little mower power to make it quick. The approach to making power is exactly the same.

What kind of mower power we talking here, Briggs & Stratton? Tecumseh?

:p

[Leo]

This is what i found in regards to a 428 crank in a 390 creating a "410"

The stock 428 is actually 426.54.
A .020 plain 390 block upgraded to a 410 = 414.24
Only 12.3 less than a 428.
A .030 plain 390 block upgraded to a 410 = 416.28
Only 10.26 less than a 428.

And the difference from 428 is by bore so it affects torque less, and torque is what you're really after in a heavy car like a Galaxie. Meanwhile, the 24 or 26 cubes you're gaining over the 390 is all stroke which means lots of torque. Upgrading a 390 to a 410 allows you to nudge into 428 territory without the expense of getting a worn 428 block or the worries punching a 390 to 4.13 bore.
And if you only overbore that 390 block .020 or .030 over you're likely to get another rebore out of it 175,000 miles down the road. Whereas a used 428 block at .030 is likely as far as it can go (unless it's a CJ block).

i dont mean to thread jack but i thought this would be good addition to the conversation. could a bored out 390 with a 430 crank indeed be better than a 460? maybe cheaper? maybe have more mods? i dont want to start a piss match i was just curious.

[79lincolnlover]

'85 Crown Victoria with 460

http://reddeer.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ172455466

Not a Lincoln but I had to share...

[Pesty351]

He puts a 460 in a box switches it to propane sells it for 800 and doesn't even have a picture of a under hood shot.

[mercman1951]

I seriously doubt that has a 460. People are goofy...like the ones who say they have a 302 HP engine because they think the engine size is it's horsepower...

[King_V]

Everything is relative. If you can make a car that does 18 seconds drop down to 14, its awesome. If you start with 14, then 14 isn't so hot. Keep in mind its a 2 ton car with a small motor. If this was the late 60s or early 70s, it probably would have rolled out of the factory with optional up to 300 hp under the hood,

Which, best approximation, is between 200 and 250 horsepower SAE net. Typically required about 400 cubic inches or more to do, though some of the engines in the approximately 350 cubic inch range with performance options could do it.

not the paltry 160 we could get.

Which is about 230 to 250 horsepower gross, in pre-1972 numbers.

Cars seem to be getting too damn heavy for their size, if I may digress slightly.


Anyhoo, yeah, the stock 460s won't give you horsepower - what they will give you is gobs more torque at stupidly low RPMs, which can always be fun. It's not about maximum horsepower, after all, it's about the amount of horsepower/torque across the entire spread of your RPM range....

[gadget73]

Mind you a 400 cid engine is usually going to make a fair bit more torque than a 302 inch motor will, so even if you're even hp to hp, the torque of the bigger motor will still win. I realize the power levels are a bit apples to oranges when you talk net vs gross hp, but my point was still that in the early 70s, a car the size and weight of a panther would have had more go power under the hood.

agree that modern cars are damn heavy for as big as they are. Its all that safety equipment they carry now. The crumple zones, side impact beams, miles of wiring for abs, air bags, crash sensors, etc all packs on the pork. of course, considering how much more likely you are to survive a major crash in a modern car vs a 70s car, its probably worth it.

[Leafsrule16]

My shop teacher has a drag car thats a 97 crown vic ex rcmp car with a 460 dropped in, twin turbos ect .. Its pretty badass, i must say.