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**gadget73** · 05-23-2008, 04:01 AM

Remove the carpet and clean it while its out. Problem solved.

**1987cp** · 05-23-2008, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by torquelover View Post

I am all Edelbrock under the hood, and the performance is underwhelming for the most part. It's a hell of a lot faster than stock, but not enough. If it's not your DD, and emissions tests are not in it's future, go wild with the build. I believe 1987cp has some interesting desktop dyno results to show you. The $3k ceiling is going to require some shrewd cost-saving measures to reach your goal. In comparison, there is over $6k in my car.

Bang for the buck, I think an aftermarket headed and intaked HO with a Mustang-based belt-driven supercharger would be ideal. There's no replacement for displacement, but I am very tempted to do it.

Well, for Pesty's proposed combo I'm seeing over 350hp between 6000 and 6500rpm. AFR 185s give a bit of a jump over the Performer RPM heads to supposedly over 370hp ... according to DD, swapping to a single-plane intake may then bump peak HP as high as 400.

Projected blower results sound a touch optimistic, though .... adding a 4-71 blower at 10psi with no intercooler will supposedly bump output over 500hp from 6500 to 9500 rpm!

Lowering the boost to 3psi, the program still claims a peak of up to 450hp at 7500.

That reminds me, why a flat-tappet cam in a 302? Just happen to have a nonroller block laying around?

**Pesty351** · 05-23-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by gadget73 View Post

Remove the carpet and clean it while its out. Problem solved.

My carpet is spotless that is why I'm worried.

Buy any way I think I'm going to do it. I just need to be sure about my engine combo I was told that that edelbrock kit would bolt right on to my motor. Now I'm hearing something else???

**Pesty351** · 05-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Has any one ever heard of these people? ERSON?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOP-END-KIT-FORD-302-351-ALUMINUM-HEADS-ERSON-CAM-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33620QQihZ018QQitemZ280229160247QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

**Grand Marquis GT** · 05-23-2008, 04:13 PM

I have, they are owned by holley/mr gasket...

But those heads? Chinese junk.

**gadget73** · 05-23-2008, 04:38 PM

China knockoffs of probably the Edelbrock heads. I've heard bad things about those offshore castings, poor quality control, poor flow, and very inconsistant flow cylinder to cylinder.

**Pesty351** · 05-24-2008, 04:22 PM

Ok I've been reading about gt40 "x" heads. Some people are saying you still need special headers and some say you don't. What have ya'll heard? Good/Bad?

**Pesty351** · 05-24-2008, 10:43 PM

Another ? If I were to go with the Ford heads would the work better with a edelbrock torker manifold kit (intake,carb,cam&lifters) or the performer series?

**1987cp** · 05-24-2008, 11:39 PM

I imagine that depends on a combination of a) the flow capabilities of the heads and b) the RPM range of the cam you choose. With AFR 165s and a 7122 cam, DD is showing a probably-noticeable a torque loss below about 3500rpm with a single-plane, though optimistically-projected peak horsepower jumps to 415 instead of 378. With GT40-X heads DD is showing a nearly identical torque curve but with a peak of 369hp with the single plane and 342 with the dual-plane. Incidentally, it likes the AFR 165s just a touch better than the 185s.

**Pesty351** · 05-25-2008, 01:40 AM

Ok will the gt40-x heads and the edelbrock torker kit work with my short block or will I have clearance issues?

**Grand Marquis GT** · 05-25-2008, 09:32 AM

I've always lived with the theory of not going above .500 lift with stock pistons...

**Pirate** · 05-25-2008, 05:51 PM

The Torker intake is a turd of a unit for a heavy car desperately needing low-end grunt. They honestly need to change the name to "Non-Torker", and be done with it.

If I had to pick an intake manifold to use, I would go with either an Edelbrock RPM Air Gap, or Weiand Stealth. In addition, the GT40X heads can be vastly improved upon by finding a used set of AFR 185's, as the GT40X heads have inferior exhaust ports.

**Pesty351** · 05-26-2008, 12:53 AM

Ok flat out will this work on my engine. Price for power they seem to work for me I just need to know If I'm going to have any fitment issues.

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Power Package includes matching: Performer RPM Intake Manifold p/n 350-7121, Edelbrock Performer 600cfm Carburetor p/n 350-1405 , Performer-Plus Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft & Lifters p/n 350-7122. Designed for street 289-302ci Ford V8s. This dual-plane high rise manifold has excellent high rpm power while retaining throttle response. This intake manifold is a stock replacement/street legal part for Shelby Mustangs with 289ci V8 with OEM 4V carb. 1965-66. No provisions for exhaust heated choke. Aftermarket 4-bbl carbs are not compatible with Ford Auto Overdrive Transmission (AOD) unless used with Lokar Throttle Cable Bracket & Springs p/n 625-SRK-4000 . Installation Notes: Port exit dimensions: 1.09'' x 1.84'' Manifold height: (A) 3.50'' , (B) 4.75'' Click here to determine carburetor pad height. Intake gasket is Fel-Pro p/n 375-1250 . Intake will not fit 255ci engines. Carburetor Recommendations: Edelbrock Performer 600cfm Carburetor p/n 350-1405 . carb will work with non-EGR system carb has no provision for evaporative canister, carb requires p/n 350-8008 or p/n 350-8024 stud, nut & washer kit carb acceptable to factory cruise control. carb has manual choke only. for auto trans. use throttle lever adapter p/n 350-1483 and throttle cable plate kit p/n 350-1490 (not for AOD). Edelbrock Performer 650cfm Carburetor p/n 350-1805 . carb will work with non-EGR system carb has no provision for evaporative canister, carb requires p/n 350-8008 or p/n 350-8024 stud, nut & washer kit carb acceptable to factory cruise control. carb has manual choke only. for auto trans. use throttle lever adapter p/n 350-1483 and throttle cable plate kit p/n 350-1490 (not for AOD). Edelbrock Performer 800cfm Carburetor p/n 350-1812 . carb will work with non-EGR system carb has no provision for evaporative canister, carb requires p/n 350-8008 or p/n 350-8024 stud, nut & washer kit carb acceptable to factory cruise control. carb has manual choke only. for auto trans. use throttle lever adapter p/n 350-1483 and throttle cable plate kit p/n 350-1490 (not for AOD). Camshaft Specs: Designed for street high-performance applications, Performer RPM cams provide power from 1500 to 6500 rpm. These hydraulic lifter camshafts are dyno-matched to Performer RPM manifolds for high-rpm horsepower while maintaining acceptable low-end torque. With 10 to 12 inches of manifold vacuum at idle, Performer RPM cams have more lift and duration than most street camshafts. Performer RPM, Performer RPM Hydraulic Roller and Torker-Plus cams are for street high-performance and racing applications only - not for heavy vehicles. Use with Edelbrock Performer RPM heads (or other aftermarket cylinder heads), adjustable valvetrain components, screw-in studs, high-performance adjustable rocker arms and at least 9.5:1 compression ratio. Headers, high-energy ignition, lower-than-stock rear gearing and a high-performance torque converter are necessary. Note: Screw-in studs and guideplates required. Not legal for

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Also for the 5-spd what Clutch/flywheel should I get. This motors 28 oz. balance right?

**1987cp** · 05-26-2008, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Pirate View Post

The Torker intake is a turd of a unit for a heavy car desperately needing low-end grunt. They honestly need to change the name to "Non-Torker", and be done with it.

I do believe the plan was to install it in a lighter-weight Panther with a 5-speed and deep gears and rev the snot outta it ....... dunno why the GT40-X instead of AFRs.

Originally posted by Pesty351 View Post

Also for the 5-spd what Clutch/flywheel should I get. This motors 28 oz. balance right?

I thought late 302s were 50 oz. imbalance?

**Pesty351** · 05-26-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by 1987cp View Post

I do believe the plan was to install it in a lighter-weight Panther with a 5-speed and deep gears and rev the snot outta it ....... dunno why the GT40-X instead of AFRs.

I thought late 302s were 50 oz. imbalance?

Im going with the gt40x's for about 400 reasons, and I though just the H.O.'s 50 oz balance. I could be wrong..

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