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    Matt. You can always add a relay to the existing circuit to take the load off of the stalk switch. Doing so may even get some more voltage to the new horns increasing their sound.
    ~David~

    My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
    My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

    Originally posted by ootdega
    My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

    Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
    But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

    Originally posted by gadget73
    my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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      Very nice car; sounds mean too! If you want to clean up the exhaust you can try aviation/hose clamps instead of the larger exhaust clamps. I used them to clean the rear of the exhaust on my mom's CV.


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        Originally posted by 87gtVIC View Post
        Matt. You can always add a relay to the existing circuit to take the load off of the stalk switch. Doing so may even get some more voltage to the new horns increasing their sound.

        i would have to know what wires go to where. it does have a good amount of load on it. everytime i blow them the lights dim.

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        -Mods: HO Roller 302, GT40P Heads, Explorer Intakes, HO ECM(D9S), Autodimming w/compass and outside temp rearview mirror, Daniel Stern Lighting Mod, Dual Exhaust, 90's GM C/K Series Retractable Hood Light, Red Digital Dash Display, 92-94 White Leather Town Car Signature Cupholder Armrests, HPP Wheels, Police PS Cooler, Police Trans Cooler. More to come!!!!
        1998 Ford Explorer Limited 5.0 AWD(Fiona)-Mods: Lincoln Navigator THX Audio System, Ford Explorer Sport Instrument Cluster.

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          okay this is easy. Since you added these new horns to the system you can snip the stock wire you tapped into and put the stock wire into pin 86, put a ground on pin 85..put constant battery power on pin 30 and reconnect the the wires leading to the horn on pin 87.

          So in sum

          30=Battery power
          87=Wire leading to horns
          86=Stock wire out of switch originally leading to horns
          85=Ground
          ~David~

          My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
          My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

          Originally posted by ootdega
          My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

          Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
          But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

          Originally posted by gadget73
          my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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            wheres a good ground spot. Also one of the stock horns has two wires coming out one goes from the switch and the other connects to the other stock horn. Can i simply use the wire from that horn that goes to the other stock horn as 87. 86 was going to be the wire on that horn that runs to the switch. Ground i may screw to the negative terminal of the battery and the battery power i would screw into the positive of the battery.


            note: the relay i am using has 5 contacts i guess i dont connect anything to that one not mentioned right.
            Last edited by MattsLincoln; 12-13-2010, 07:01 PM.

            1982 Lincoln Continental Mark VI Bill Blass Designer Series 2-Door(Larisa)
            -Mods: HO Roller 302, GT40P Heads, Explorer Intakes, HO ECM(D9S), Autodimming w/compass and outside temp rearview mirror, Daniel Stern Lighting Mod, Dual Exhaust, 90's GM C/K Series Retractable Hood Light, Red Digital Dash Display, 92-94 White Leather Town Car Signature Cupholder Armrests, HPP Wheels, Police PS Cooler, Police Trans Cooler. More to come!!!!
            1998 Ford Explorer Limited 5.0 AWD(Fiona)-Mods: Lincoln Navigator THX Audio System, Ford Explorer Sport Instrument Cluster.

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              Hmm Let me see how should I say this...You mentioned that your horns are grounded through their mounting locations...so the wires looping between them would be the power wire (signal...w/e). You want to intercept the wires leading to the horns before they reach it in order to ensure you supply fully battery power to them through the relay. Cut the existing wire leading to the horns a few feet back (or w/e) as you just want to make sure you are supplying full power to the horns by connecting that wire to pin 87. The wire that is still connected to the horns goes to pin 87 and the wire that is supplying power through the stalk switch goes to pin 86 to trigger the relay. 85 gets grounded. 85 and 86 make up the coil within the relay. when power is supplied to the coil pin 30 is connected to pin 87 giving the direct battery power from pin 30 to pin 87. When power is removed from pin 86 (releasing the horn switch) pin 30 and pin 87 is no longer in contact.
              ~David~

              My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
              My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

              Originally posted by ootdega
              My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

              Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
              But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

              Originally posted by gadget73
              my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                and of course... fuse the wire from the battery to the relay.

                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                Originally posted by gadget73
                ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                Originally posted by dmccaig
                Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                  Originally posted by MattsGrandMarquis View Post
                  note: the relay i am using has 5 contacts i guess i dont connect anything to that one not mentioned right.
                  Right. You have a double throw relay, which can be used just like a single throw when wired like one. Fun with double throw comes in the next lesson, if you make it.
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                    Originally posted by 85crownHPP View Post
                    Right. You have a double throw relay, which can be used just like a single throw when wired like one. Fun with double throw comes in the next lesson, if you make it.
                    Do you have a SPDT running your electric fan like on my electric fan install? That'd be a practical lesson. Actually, I have a couple of videos posted somewhere ......
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                      ok i hooked up the relay and pressed the horn and bam released the switch and the horns were blowing non stop i had to disconnect the wires from the relay to stop it. what happened and whats wrong. man i have a earache was so fuckin loud.

                      1982 Lincoln Continental Mark VI Bill Blass Designer Series 2-Door(Larisa)
                      -Mods: HO Roller 302, GT40P Heads, Explorer Intakes, HO ECM(D9S), Autodimming w/compass and outside temp rearview mirror, Daniel Stern Lighting Mod, Dual Exhaust, 90's GM C/K Series Retractable Hood Light, Red Digital Dash Display, 92-94 White Leather Town Car Signature Cupholder Armrests, HPP Wheels, Police PS Cooler, Police Trans Cooler. More to come!!!!
                      1998 Ford Explorer Limited 5.0 AWD(Fiona)-Mods: Lincoln Navigator THX Audio System, Ford Explorer Sport Instrument Cluster.

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                        what was the relay rated (amps)? You may have welded the relay shut on the first shot. I'd go for a 30-40 amp relay at least. If the one you used was a 30 amp... try a 40.

                        also, double check your wiring.

                        Here's a diagram of what should be happening... treat the "air horn compressor" as your additional horns.

                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                        rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                        Originally posted by gadget73
                        ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                        Originally posted by dmccaig
                        Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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                          i dont understand that. damn i hate electrical diagrams. hang on let me upload a diagram of what i did.

                          1982 Lincoln Continental Mark VI Bill Blass Designer Series 2-Door(Larisa)
                          -Mods: HO Roller 302, GT40P Heads, Explorer Intakes, HO ECM(D9S), Autodimming w/compass and outside temp rearview mirror, Daniel Stern Lighting Mod, Dual Exhaust, 90's GM C/K Series Retractable Hood Light, Red Digital Dash Display, 92-94 White Leather Town Car Signature Cupholder Armrests, HPP Wheels, Police PS Cooler, Police Trans Cooler. More to come!!!!
                          1998 Ford Explorer Limited 5.0 AWD(Fiona)-Mods: Lincoln Navigator THX Audio System, Ford Explorer Sport Instrument Cluster.

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                            Yes it is a little confusing. Your diagram should help out though.
                            ~David~

                            My 1987 Crown Victoria Coupe: The Brown Blob
                            My 2004 Mercedes Benz E320:The Benz

                            Originally posted by ootdega
                            My life is a long series of "nevermind" and "I guess not."

                            Originally posted by DerekTheGreat
                            But, that's just coming from me, this site's biggest pessimist. Best of luck

                            Originally posted by gadget73
                            my car starts and it has AC. Yours doesn't start and it has no AC. Seems obvious to me.




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                              ok read this
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                              1982 Lincoln Continental Mark VI Bill Blass Designer Series 2-Door(Larisa)
                              -Mods: HO Roller 302, GT40P Heads, Explorer Intakes, HO ECM(D9S), Autodimming w/compass and outside temp rearview mirror, Daniel Stern Lighting Mod, Dual Exhaust, 90's GM C/K Series Retractable Hood Light, Red Digital Dash Display, 92-94 White Leather Town Car Signature Cupholder Armrests, HPP Wheels, Police PS Cooler, Police Trans Cooler. More to come!!!!
                              1998 Ford Explorer Limited 5.0 AWD(Fiona)-Mods: Lincoln Navigator THX Audio System, Ford Explorer Sport Instrument Cluster.

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                                ok... 85 and 86 are essentially interchangeable. It just needs current flow. One of them needs to be ground... the other needs to be the line from the stock horn switch.

                                87 however should be connected to the wire that goes to the stock horns... not just one of them at the horn itself. The horn switch wire needs to be cut and the one from the switch itself goes to 86 on your diagram while the other half of the cut that goes to the horns should be on 87. Your power and grounds are fine as far as I can tell.

                                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
                                rides: 93 Crown Vic LX (The Red Velvet Cake), 2000 Crown Vic base model (Sandy), 2003 Expedition (the vacation beast)

                                Originally posted by gadget73
                                ... and it should all work like magic and unicorns and stuff.

                                Originally posted by dmccaig
                                Overhead, some poor bastards are flying in airplanes.

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