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    Interior looks great. I'm with sly on the plug's status. Leaky stem seals?
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    Do you think it was from the plug wire being loose?

    My #8 in the 88 will also foul out every 10k or so.
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    I'm thinking riding around for probably 1k+ miles with that loose wire had something to do with it. It was a very slight miss, hardly noticeable, at first so I let it go, but over the past week or two it really became noticeable. I suppose intermittent/weak spark may have caused stuff to not burn well and crap up like that, but Derek's suggestion is also a possibility, or a combination of both.

    #8 is always the worst when I've changed plugs on any of my boxes, including my '89 but that engine is in great shape and I got 100k out of the plugs before #8 plug went on that one.

    Derek, I don't remember if we talked about it, but remember how The Ice Car was fuming out the oil fill breather tube like it was exhaust? Yeah, this car doesn't do that, and now that I'm running on 8 cylinders again it's running great.
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    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    Years ago my one friend told me about his '88 5.0 T-bird that he bought new. Still had it, only he hasn't driven it in probably two decades. It's sitting with 250k on it. I asked about the engine and he said they're good but they were prone to valveguide/stemseal failure. Not sure if it was all cylinders (can't see why not) but because of the location of the spark plugs on the cylinders that are closest to the firewall those end up collecting oil and fouling out. I heard that running a hotter plug can help with that. Haven't pulled mine out ever but it's been 10k and nothing seems to be different. Same with Ashley's.

    Yep, I remember that conversation and remember seeing it first hand. Never seen a car do that before.
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    It's been a rough couple of weeks for The Scab. Apparently this car does not like going to work on Fridays.

    Two Fridays ago the Y pipe broke where the two arms combine. It looked like the welds rusted away (it was getting louder because of this) then it let go that morning. I hacked the tail pipe off and threw it and the muffler/rest of the Y pipe in the back seat. Made it to work on time since I had other plans that morning which I had to cancel.
    Driving the car last week was quite loud with the exhaust ending basically below my feet. So, this past weekend, I ended up throwing a Y pipe and Muffler on since that's what I had sitting around.




    Last Friday I lost my left rear tire. The tread was still in a ring with a good amount of tread left but no side wall connecting that ring of tread to the beads. After all was said and done I determined that what happened was I must have ran something over since there was a clean cash in the middle of the tread about an inch wide in the thickest part of the tread. That gash caused the tire to run low, which I somehow didn't notice, which caused the wheel to destroy the sidewalls.
    The fun didn't stop there. Once I got the lug nuts off the wheel had no intention of coming off. I called my wife to see if she could find someone to bring me a sledgehammer while I tried everything I could to get the wheel off. During that time Michigan State Police pulled someone over right behind me so, after he was done with that, he stopped to help me out. I told him I was in the process of trying to get a sledge hammer and he said he thought he had one. He didn't but came back with the biggest crow bar I've ever seen. Whacked on the wheel for a bit before it finally broke free. I ended up turning around and working from home that day since I was drenched in sweat.
    Over the weekend I swapped my 4 steel wheels from The Ice Car (originally from my '89), with tires I bought last summer, since I didn't want to ride around with one mismatched wheel and didn't want to buy a new tire since I have 4 matching low mileage tires.




    After pulling the spare out and rummaging for tools I decided it was time to reorganize all the junk in the trunk (aka: my garage).

    and the rest of the travel stuff which made the rear look low since I didn't air up the air shocks (Gabriel HiJackers, installed by PO) before taking pictures.





    And the pig without lipstick as it sits now:








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    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    Sounds like you had a jolly good time. When the single exhaust rots off that's when you upgrade to duals! Ashley's tail pipe from the muffler back has rotted off, that aluminized shit is garbage. She's on the fence about getting rumbly mufflers or keeping the thing quiet.

    Car looked cool with the Turbines. If you care & plan to put them back on at some point I can keep an eye out for one at the yards.

    Surprisingly your car doesn't look that crusty from underneath so that's a plus.
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    Man that tire - any body damage from it exploding?
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    Luckily no body damage, but I think that's due to how the wheel destroyed the sidewalls rather than the tire actually exploding.
    When I first noticed something was wrong was just under 3 miles before where the tire came apart. The tire came apart at 10 miles from home, 4 more miles and I would have been at work.
    The car was wallowing a bit and I was trying to think of what the heck could have broke to cause it or if it was the wind blowing the car around. As the tire came apart the car started shaking and it wasn't until I hear the tire let go and saw the chunks in the mirror that I realized it wasn't starring/front end parts breaking. The tires came with the car, but they are definitely low mileage. I'm still not certain how I didn't notice the tire going flat, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened since I don't recall the car dropping in that corner when the tire went.

    No need for a new wheel, it's still in good shape. Although all 4 took a beating on the backside since they didn't want to come off.

    I know, I know, duals when replacing... but I used what I had laying around and already paid for like a year or two ago. Once I have a non-DD box it will get duals among other things, but that won't be any time soon.

    The car was undercoated at some point so it's held up pretty well. Most of the rot spots on the body I think can be explained by the PO's grandma widening her garage door frame, or what I'm guessing was an accident that lead to the replacement of both passenger doors early in the life of the car and damage to that rocker panel that eventually rusted and rotted.
    Vic

    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    That's why I ended up doing the dual exhaust on my CV. My Y-pipe rotted at the flanges.

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    That is some kind of tire destruction. I'm glad you didn't lose any more than a tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Norris View Post
    That is some kind of tire destruction. I'm glad you didn't lose any more than a tire.
    Same here; that could have been a lot worse, but I didn't lose control and pulled safely from the center lane (3 lanes wide, plus lane and a half shoulder on each side) onto the most accessible shoulder. Happened to be the left shoulder but the right lane was backed up with people heading toward the exit from Westbound M-59 to Northbound I-75, so the right shoulder wasn't an option.
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    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    These cars are amazingly stable with a flat rear tire. You really don't notice it until it starts bouncing unless you really know how your car handles and notice the wallow. I usually notice the wallow and give the car a very slight flick and see if the rear walks real easy. If it does... flat tire. If not, probably crappy road or bad cross winds. Haven't had a flat front tire yet. *knock on wood*

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    I just noticed the ice car in the background of one of those shots. If I were you I'd throw a cover of some sort over it to keep the interior bits & paint from going to shit
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    The Scab and I attended a family reunion today. The Scab's family reunion that is, lol.
    Left to right is The Ice Car, my '89 (never had a name, just the white car), and The Scab.












    And a couple new pics of The Scab's cluster and engine bay:


    Vic

    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    Nice lil Panther pride rally you got going there.
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    Here's some more pictures from this past weekend. I even parked the Yukon next to the Panthers so I could get a shot of the whole fleet. (and my uncle's Explorer)

















    Vic

    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    Geez Vic, that's a nice looking Yukon you've got there. It just sits in the sun all day? You any closer to throwing an engine in it? What about that Continental?
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    I figure I'll get The Ice Car ready to be put back on the road if needed, then I might start on the Yukon later this year if the funds are still there. It was nicer looking before it sat year-year and a half and the body started to rot in a few places like lower quarter panels and the bottom of a couple of the doors. If I don't get the Yukon done this year I won't be too upset, everything about that thing is expensive anyway. I've got way to much money into the stupid thing so I will get it done eventually.

    The Continental is dad's car, '89 I believe, the engine and trans are good but he said there was a bunch of other stuff wrong with it. I drove it from where it was to where it is in that pic. It needs exhaust work, steering work, and I think dad said something about the sub-frame needing work. We had to move that Continental and dad's '95 Tahoe before I could get my '89 out so I can start pulling the engine from that in the near future (maybe starting on that next weekend at the earliest).
    Vic

    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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    The yards always have specials on engines, you could potentially find another vortech to drop in it for cheeeep. There was a nice continental for sale in ohio for $700; http://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/5682539038.html. Could junk the one you've got and get this running with what you made from scrap...
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    Parked for the winter and hopefully will not be called on for DD duty until winter is safely over.

    One update that I didn't seem to post in this thread is the KYB GR-2 / Excel-G (KYB 344081) police front shocks that I installed back in August. I've been very happy with these shocks and will get the same for The Ice Car when the time comes.

    Other than that, nothing new going on with this car.

    Windshield wipers don't work right. I finally figured out that the multi function switch is worn and if I hold the wiper/turnsignal stalk just right the wipers work. So this is a note-to-self: get a new multi function switch.
    Vic

    ~ 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis LS - new DD
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis LS "The Scab" - plenty of rot, summer DD
    ~ 1997 GMC Yukon - wannabe winter DD - returning sometime in the 2020s, I finally have an engine
    ~ 1991 Mercury Grand Marquis GS "The Ice Car" - Rotting Retired Winter DD
    ~ 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis GS - Rotting Retired DD
    Gone but not forgotten:
    ~ 1988 Country Squire ~ 1987 Ford Crown Vic

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